adirondackmtnman
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Luddite and proud, thank you. I would rather split my machine and change the clutch 10 times than get into the internals of the hydro once. JMHO
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Buying Advice What tractor to buy for general utility work - <50 Acres??
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Luddite and proud, thank you. I would rather split my machine and change the clutch 10 times than get into the internals of the hydro once. JMHO
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Poke
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I have a MF 1533 gear, use it for everything from mowing, grading driveway, plowing/disking garden to skidding logs outta the woods. You refer to clutch tractors as time bombs, but I had a hydraulic line split on mine in the woods. I was able to drive the tractor out, but if it would've been an HST I would've been dead in the water. So HST's aren't the end all be all greatest thing to happen to tractors ever. And when it comes to ground engaging implements everybody knows gear tractors are way better, mowing and loader work HST's are handier, but with a shuttle shift its no problem to push the clutch in. Really depends on the OP's preference, but for me there was no decision, gear.
MinnesotaEric
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No need. The hydro will likely not fail.
FWIW, OP this Massey Ferguson dealer has a great overview of the three different transmission types.
WM75Guy
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I have to disagree about the NH CVT. I have a NH CVT and a NH HST. The CVT does not whine, is more responsive to the pedal, and does not work as hard as the HST when using PTO implements. Some of that may be that the Boomer has 40 HP PTO vs 33 HP PTO on the TC40DA. I have not had any problems with my Boomer 8N in the four years since I bought it other than a fender cracked. I have posted good reviews on my tractor, you just may not have seen them. They do both lose about 20% from engine HP to PTO HP which is more than a geared tractor.
DK35vince
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Where are you getting these clutch replacement prices?
I could replace my clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing and pilot bearing doing the work myself for around $400.
Though its very doubt full that it will even need it.
I have done many hundreds of tons of loader work and at 1875 hours on my tractor so far I have not needed the first clutch adjustment yet.
fieldman12
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Gear machines have there place and so does hst. I have driven both. On a garden tractor I prefer hst and like it on my skid steer when doing fine grading and digging. If I am doing field work give me a gear drive tractor. I know allot of people like power shuttle transmissions and the new CVT transmissions. I have seen allot of electronic issues with allot of brands and decided to stick with a gear drive. In my opinion they are simple and reliable if you take care of them. Allot of people ride the clutch and so on. A wet clutch is the way to go with a gear drive but a dry clutch will hold up fine if you take care of them. Most of your semis out there even to this day are gear.
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Ya know Eric, i'm beginning to think you are not so Oracally. By your standard, anything mechanical can be a "ticking time bomb" which is as ridiculous a statement as one can think of. I'd say you were not a mechanic for very long. On this forum alone, 3 people had trouble with there hydros and were back in the shop for weeks. Not one of these tractors had over 200 hours on them. I'd say by your statements that you are a bit of a control freak and instead of pouting or kicking something when someone doesn't agree with you, you resort to tagging people with names such as "Luddites" as if we were "small minded". The error here of course is your continued attempts to sway people from thinking of a geared tractor as a viable piece of machinery which it certainly is. If 25-35 years of trouble free service from a geared tractor is not long enough to be free from your disparagement, then what is?
MinnesotaEric
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My first truck went over 200,000 before it needed a clutch, while my last track toy needed a clutch every third weekend. It depends on how you use. Luddites fear industrial change and specifically, technological change. If my intent was to call people pushing back against a CVT or HST transmission, small-minded, I would have selected a different word.
At any-rate, while possible, long intervals between clutch changes are not normative unless the machine is under-utililized in its capacity to work or sits around.
That said, it is easier to use a CVT or HST transmission.
murphy1244
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Have a MF 135 with 5500 hours and still the first clutch.
Trey318
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Both transmission types have there high points. I do prefer gear transmissions on my farm tractors, but that's all we've ever had. In track hoe applications a hydro is something I couldn't live without. But it all comes down to personal preference when a person chooses there machine. The clutch life all comes down to maintenance, my 1952 john deere 60 has NEVER had the clutch replaced. On the other hand it seemed like out high boy 6000 always was getting the clutch replace. But the battle of hydro vs gear all comes down to personal preference
