What would keep your Grapple out of the FIRE?

[EverythingAttachments]

Here's the video as promised.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Oh boy. I think you're going to regret posting that.

 

[murphy1244]

Now I thought I have seen everything. My BS intake for today is full.

 

[Jim Timber]

I was wondering if any JIC fitting were made in America at all?

Parker has a hydraulic valve division about 10 miles from my house. I've met some of their machinists. So they might not make the little stuff here, but they certainly are a US company who offers a quality product.

JIC's can be had in heavy body elbows and T's, not just the flared tube fittings in contention.

I use a lot of NPT because I have the taps and dies to make them and making them is far easier than making a 37 degree fitting, and cheap pre-made hose is available in NPT here. Using NPT requires knowing you'll need dope (or some type of sealant) on the threads or you will have problems. If I was producing product for sale, or having custom assemblies made, I would not use NPT.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Wow, the things I missed taking a day off to shop for mini-excavators.

First, (tinfoil) hats off to the Faraday cage reference!

Second, sheesh, what is wrong with EA posting a blooper video to highlight the robustness of the Parker hydraulic components they use in their product? If anything, the video is amusing. Any company that shares customer videos of their products in use when everything goes pare-snapped has a self-effacing sense of humor that should be appreciated. I took the spirit of the OP as the same spirit when Ted did a Peter Pan over a ledge and belly flopped his New Holland skid steer. Funny! :laughing:

That all said, I'm deeply amused that Ted got out in the rain to make a video to settle an internet argument! :thumbsup:

Tractor barrel racing next.

 

[Jim Timber]

Apples to apples next time on the video.

6500 JIC Steel Fittings | SAE 070221, Parker C6X, Parker 3903| Hydraulics Direct

 

[4570Man]

Hook that thing back up with the JIC and see if the hose or the fittings fail first.

 

[/pine]

I have no dog in this one...
One thing I have noticed is most of the commercial/industrial (i.e., HD) machines I have worked on are all ORFS connections...Another benefit of ORFS is some hose ends can be reused with new crimps/hose...

Personally I like to use the NPSM (swivel) fittings they use a seat and chamfer so it's the best of both worlds for quick and easy plumbing...
I usually buy hoses with straight pipe (has the 30* chamfer) which makes ordering easy...and use the 90*, 45* etc. NPSM fittings to make the turns...as long as there is room as they are a little larger than JIC fittings

 

[sea2summit]

I thought scuba divers were overly opinionated

 

[avc8130]

Here's the video as promised.

You can go ahead and ship that "test subject" grapple right to my house .

ac

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Wow, the things I missed taking a day off to shop for mini-excavators.

First, (tinfoil) hats off to the Faraday cage reference!

Second, sheesh, what is wrong with EA posting a blooper video to highlight the robustness of the Parker hydraulic components they use in their product? If anything, the video is amusing. Any company that shares customer videos of their products in use when everything goes pare-snapped has a self-effacing sense of humor that should be appreciated. I took the spirit of the OP as the same spirit when Ted did a Peter Pan over a ledge and belly flopped his New Holland skid steer. Funny! :laughing:

That all said, I'm deeply amused that Ted got out in the rain to make a video to settle an internet argument! :thumbsup:

Tractor barrel racing next.

Now THAT looks like fun!
Your Wicked Grapple strung to the drawbar by a hydraulic hose would be even better! :laughing: Hehe, not really!
Travis

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Apples to apples next time on the video.

6500 JIC Steel Fittings | SAE 070221, Parker C6X, Parker 3903| Hydraulics Direct

I am familiar with those. They are much more durable, but if a limb gets under your hose and pulls up on it or pushes down, it will likely either loosen the fitting or break the seal. It's not a sure thing, but I've tightened a lot of hoses like that after rough working in the woods. Those are the same fittings that my brother uses at CA. We've had a few customers call that had leaks for the same reason. Not a big deal. Usually realigning the hose and some extra tightening will reseal them.

Also, good luck finding those in the correct lengths without a hydraulic shop that makes and crimps their own fittings. That would also be true for our crimped on NTP fittings, especially the one with swivels. My only argument is that so far....this is asking for it....no customer that we know of has had a leak or had to replace any hoses aside from the hoses that lead from the tractor to the attachment because of physical damage.

That being said, I've never liked the idea of putting a full expanded metal backing across the whole back of a new grapple. I noticed that Eric's only covered the center part to protect his QA levers and his grill/radiator, which got me to thinking. Starting Monday, we will be cutting 3-5 slots, 2 1/2" apart, on the back of our tines, where we will insert 3/16" x 1/2" protective strips. This won't stop everything, but it will protect you from most of it without impairing your view or causing trash to build up. We will share pics when the 1st one is complete. We will discount our existing inventory(as you could see in the video, there's plenty) $50 until the ones without the protective straps are depleted. To receive the $50 discount, just let us know you saw it on this thread.
If you've bought one in the last week, we will give you a $50 refund from Ted's back pocket. :laughing:


Everything in this post came straight from Ted and typed by Travis. Here's a little personal info.....I am a genius on the left side of my brain, which is math and design, but I am 3rd grade on the right side. I can't spell s***, but wouldn't trade it to be equally average on both sides. I am very passionate about the attachments that I build and have heard several people comment that we sound arrogant. I am anything but that. We simply work hard to give you what I think is the best, and would rather not argue about anything anymore. I think I am misunderstood and possibly do come off as arrogant. I've had a W2 since I was 12 years old and only completed the 10th grade, but I have played hard and worked hard my whole life. The social media game is probably not my better skill set. I would probably do better to let Travis do all the posting and stay out of it.

Travis is a great guy. He's a great salesman and is great for customer service, which is the most important thing to us and has been the key to our success!

Thanks to Eric and everyone else that has helped make our products better. We really do listen and care.
Ted

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Wow! That's responsive! I wish y'all made a medium duty stump grapple and a ripper for a Woods BH90-X backhoe!

 

[4570Man]

Wow! That's responsive! I wish y'all made a medium duty stump grapple and a ripper for a Woods BH90-X backhoe!

Oh, a backhoe grapple. That would be great.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Wow! That's responsive! I wish y'all made a medium duty stump grapple and a ripper for a Woods BH90-X backhoe!

We're definitely going to make a stump bucket and grapple similar to the CA that my brother makes. I think it is the best design, but the bucket/grapple combo is too heavy and too much of the operator's vision is blocked IMO.
Ted

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Oh, a backhoe grapple. That would be great.

Nah, not a backhoe grapple. Amulet is the best mfg. of those that I know of.
Ted

 

[4570Man]

Nah, not a backhoe grapple. Amulet is the best mfg. of those that I know of. Ted

I don't have hydraulics for a thumb on my backhoe, or I would about build my own.

 

[Jim Timber]

Claim to be a genius and then denies being arrogant two sentences later.

Ted, you're dealing with a lot of folks in the upper tiers here. One thing we all have in common is lack of tact when it comes down to nerdy arguments. Nature of the beast. No one should be taking any of this personally. That certainly wasn't my intention in any of my comments.

You guys do make really good products and should be proud of them. That's why some of us saw this thread as a lame stunt. Which car can demolish a house better: Porsche 959 or a Ferrari F40? Your stuff sells itself. No need for gimmicks.


Adding the flat stock sounds like a great idea. I've had brush come through my Woods grapple and tweak my QC mount on the loader cross brace. It's a weak spot on virtually every grapple on the market, and you're going to offer a fix. Nice!

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

We're definitely going to make a stump bucket and grapple similar to the CA that my brother makes. I think it is the best design, but the bucket/grapple combo is too heavy and too much of the operator's vision is blocked IMO.
Ted

Yup, the one I want would be 500#, 36" to tip, tumb with cut outs, nearly straight sides, 12-18" wide with 3 replaceable teeth.

But most critically; it would have an open back like you root grapples to help with vision! It would not hold loose material as well but that's not what a stump grapple if for anyway.

 

[sea2summit]

I am familiar with those. They are much more durable, but if a limb gets under your hose and pulls up on it or pushes down, it will likely either loosen the fitting or break the seal. It's not a sure thing, but I've tightened a lot of hoses like that after rough working in the woods. Those are the same fittings that my brother uses at CA. We've had a few customers call that had leaks for the same reason. Not a big deal. Usually realigning the hose and some extra tightening will reseal them.

Also, good luck finding those in the correct lengths without a hydraulic shop that makes and crimps their own fittings. That would also be true for our crimped on NTP fittings, especially the one with swivels. My only argument is that so far....this is asking for it....no customer that we know of has had a leak or had to replace any hoses aside from the hoses that lead from the tractor to the attachment because of physical damage.

That being said, I've never liked the idea of putting a full expanded metal backing across the whole back of a new grapple. I noticed that Eric's only covered the center part to protect his QA levers and his grill/radiator, which got me to thinking. Starting Monday, we will be cutting 3-5 slots, 2 1/2" apart, on the back of our tines, where we will insert 3/16" x 1/2" protective strips. This won't stop everything, but it will protect you from most of it without impairing your view or causing trash to build up. We will share pics when the 1st one is complete. We will discount our existing inventory(as you could see in the video, there's plenty) $50 until the ones without the protective straps are depleted. To receive the $50 discount, just let us know you saw it on this thread.
If you've bought one in the last week, we will give you a $50 refund from Ted's back pocket. :laughing:


Everything in this post came straight from Ted and typed by Travis. Here's a little personal info.....I am a genius on the left side of my brain, which is math and design, but I am 3rd grade on the right side. I can't spell s***, but wouldn't trade it to be equally average on both sides. I am very passionate about the attachments that I build and have heard several people comment that we sound arrogant. I am anything but that. We simply work hard to give you what I think is the best, and would rather not argue about anything anymore. I think I am misunderstood and possibly do come off as arrogant. I've had a W2 since I was 12 years old and only completed the 10th grade, but I have played hard and worked hard my whole life. The social media game is probably not my better skill set. I would probably do better to let Travis do all the posting and stay out of it.

Travis is a great guy. He's a great salesman and is great for customer service, which is the most important thing to us and has been the key to our success!

Thanks to Eric and everyone else that has helped make our products better. We really do listen and care.
Ted

Hmmm, don't think mine has shipped yet...tempted to cancel and get the new one