What's ailing my bota 4610"

[CTyler]

Re: What\'s ailing my bota 4610\"

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( ...go through a very muddy and deeply routed road that gets no sun at all, then up a steep logging road, then through a swamp, across a grassy knoll, then through a tobacco field that's very soggy, then down the mountain )</font>

Dang....Anyone gotta helicopter?

So far it sounds like it gets better everytime you have added fluid. Like was stated earlier maybe the pickup came off or cracked, bad seal etc.. don't know.

Can you take a shovel to the bump/hump you need to get over?

 

[WVBill]

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SmokyMtnMan - aparently the collective will of the TBN community isn't enough to pull your 'bota out by mind control. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I think you are getting close, though and just need to force more hydraulic fluid into that reservoir.

I think that the pickup tube in the hydraulic sump is above the level of the fluid because of the incline of the tractor. In fact, the filler port and the pickup tube may BOTH be right at the level of the fluid - meaning you can't get any more fluid in by just pouring it 'cause it just runs back out.

Here's a thought: get a pipe nipple the same size/threads as the hydraulic filler plug (I'm guessing it's a screw-in plug). Adapt that nipple to your long hose and screw that assembly into the filler port. Adapt the other end of the hose to connect to some kind of reservoir that you can temporarily mount somewhere above the engine. (Or connect it to some kind of pump) The idea would be to "force" fill up the hydraulic sump so that the level of the fluid is above the pickup.

Hope this helps...

 

[wasabi]

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I agree with WVBill. The more I follow your saga, the more convinced I am that you have a fluid level problem. There was a terrific trick noted in the "stuck boomer" thread about using a chain (or strap) to pull yourself up a hill with your bucket curl....check it out. It would take patience, but would perhaps get you out.

Your decription of muddy roads and such sounds just like my place....keep at it....you'll get her out.

 

[Justaplain]

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Just a thought, but if that animal is on a real steep incline, where is the oil level in the engine? Are the front/rear mains getting enough oil or will the engine oil pump take care of that??

 

[ges]

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I also agree on the hyd. level........but......I also hope your eng. oil pick-up level is in the oil?
George /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[ges]

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Justaplain........
Sorry, I didn't read yours before I typed, didn't mean to repeat ya....... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
George

 

[SmokyMtnMan]

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ok, going to try the pipe nipple approach. Actually I still think there's more that can be poured in before it pours back out. I just thought I had put a lot in to be able to get it going since that seems to be the problem. I'll go back over and try it again.
I have a question...what is the worse thing that happens when you over-fill with hydro fluid?
If i did, and was able to drive it up on the level area, what should I do then and how would it act if it's over-filled?
yes, it's a screw in filler cap

is there a special trick to force air out of it? pedal down without engine running or something?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

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Hello SmokyMtnMan, it's good to here from you even if you have'nt quite got your tractor out.

I'm glad that the added oil helped some and hope that you can get more in and get the tractor out of there and safely back home/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

The only time you will have a problem with adding too much fluid, is when you run the tractor for an extended period. What will happen is the oil will be aerat'ed (whipped into a foam) by the turning gears in the tranny case. I'm sure that running it long enough to drive it out of there will not harm your tractor.

When you get it out of there and onto level ground, drain out some of the oil. If it has bubbles in it, let it sit for 15 to 30 minutes then drain the oil down the the proper level on the dip stick. If you drain the oil to the proper level with air in it, it will be to low when the air comes out. The worst that can happen if you run it and run it and run it, the oil will aer'ate until it becomes foam and cannot be pumped. It is possible to trash the pump like this but you will have to try real hard to get it to this point.

There are several tricks to getting air out of a pump if it is accessible. Obviously your pump is in the case which leaves only one alternative I can think of, (maybe someone else here knows another) it has to be pumped out by the pump itself! Use the Hydro pedal sparingly in low range. Try to use as little oil (pedal) as possible to keep the tractor moving. The more pedal (oil) you use, the more likely you will cavitate the pump and the tractor will stop until the oil again flows out of the pump and valves, covers the pickup and the process starts again.

I know you don't want to back down the hill and I don't know what the conditions are down the hill, but if the ground down there is some what level, and if there is enough room to drive the tractor around a little, (lots of "if's" I know) I would overfill the oil and drive the tractor around for a couple of minutes to purge the air out of the pump and valves and point that baby up the hill and get out of there /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

If that works, drain some oil and look for bubbles as described above

Best of luck and if willpower could get that tractor out of there, with all of the good people on this board pulling for you, it would be at your home safe and sound right now /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[krickard]

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I'Ve also been watching to see when it will get out, after loseing about 5 Gal. of Hydrolic oil (tractor in the woods) purchased some HDT oil instead of UDT and the L3600 GST wouldn't move, loader worked fine, 3Pt. lift worked, the oil was to thick for the transmission pump was what I figured. drove to town again 40 miles and got UDT drained the HDT and put in the proper oil and was able to drive it out of the woods. What type of oil are you using? se'ya ken

 

[bgott]

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You have it where it will move but it quits while going over humps. Sounds like it's Model A time. Model A Fords didn't have a fuel pump, it was gravity flow from the cowl mounted fuel tank. If you tried going up a steep hill forward you'd run out of fuel so you had to back up. The next time I got the tractor to move I'd crank the wheel and get it so I could back up the hill. There might be a large pucker factor involved, I would NOT try this if there is a chance of rolling the tractor. You might have to shuttle it back and forth and turn it a little at a time and it will probably work better if you back it up and cut the wheels. You might think about tying the tractor off to a couple of trees while doing it if you're not sure if you can do it safely. Let me repeat, do NOT try this if you are not completely confident operating on a steep slope!!!

On second thought, it might be safer to come-a-long the Mule out of the way and back the 'bota down the hill to where you could turn around on less of a slope. Once you get the 'bota climbing backwards, throw a chain on the Mule when you pass it and come on out with it. Then go trade that flatlander tractor for one with a gear drive. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif