What's up at welding web?

   / What's up at welding web? #61  
Some comments I read on the internet said that WeldingWeb did not bring in very much advertising revenue and the owners might not bring it back for that reason. I wonder how WW actually stacks up with advertisers. Seems to me it would be a good place to advertise metal working equipment, supplies, and hardware.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #62  
The reason it doesn't is that advertisers are afraid of being attacked on that site and it takes time and resources or the users of their products making the site become the "de facto" place of support for their product, because it is the first place people go to to complain and try to blackmail companies into all kinds of things, i.e. getting free product. Penton does little to help protect advertisers. They even penalize them as in our case because new posts in our sponsored forums are not allowed to show up in the main threads but non paying brands are allowed to show up. Even moderators are adversarial and get away with it, when contributing sponsors post elsewhere giving genuine help or comments by telling them to "go back downstairs"(where the sponsored forums are kept out of sight)if the moderator doesn't like the way the comment leans.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #63  
The reason it doesn't is that advertisers are afraid of being attacked on that site and it takes time and resources or the users of their products making the site become the "de facto" place of support for their product, because it is the first place people go to to complain and try to blackmail companies into all kinds of things, i.e. getting free product. Penton does little to help protect advertisers. They even penalize them as in our case because new posts in our sponsored forums are not allowed to show up in the main threads but non paying brands are allowed to show up. Even moderators are adversarial and get away with it, when contributing sponsors post elsewhere giving genuine help or comments by telling them to "go back downstairs"(where the sponsored forums are kept out of sight)if the moderator doesn't like the way the comment leans.

Well you got part dat right Mark.
Peton pretty much turned loose of the place a year or so back when they let Captain Acetone and the Shipping Clerk take over runnin it.
Far as bein afraid, truth to tell people who are afraid probably ought to be doin something other than welding. You can get burned welding and burns hurt.

Your idea of defending sure seems to be wiping out anything you don't like when it gets posted. That only floats with girlymen, so you should be right at home IF dat welding glee club ever comes back. Sure don't look like dat be today like Captain Acetone was running his mouth all weekend thou.

Have a nice day and see if you got the guts to leave this post up.
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   / What's up at welding web? #64  
Huh? I'm talking about civility and slander. Not honest to goodness complaints. I'm not sure I can read your writing, as it seems more out of something from Uncle Remus...but if I can this kind of post is what I am talking about being cancer and why advertisers don't do more over there.

What guts? I don't have control over this forum, never did, never wanted it.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #66  
Well you got part dat right Mark.
Peton pretty much turned loose of the place a year or so back when they let Captain Acetone and the Shipping Clerk take over runnin it.
Far as bein afraid, truth to tell people who are afraid probably ought to be doin something other than welding. You can get burned welding and burns hurt.

Your idea of defending sure seems to be wiping out anything you don't like when it gets posted. That only floats with girlymen, so you should be right at home IF dat welding glee club ever comes back. Sure don't look like dat be today like Captain Acetone was running his mouth all weekend thou.

Have a nice day and see if you got the guts to leave this post up.
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What in the world are you talking about? Ole mark is a solid dude and speaking openly and truthfully about what he sees going on

Brett
 
   / What's up at welding web? #67  
I agree. Mark is a solid dude. I see nothing but objective observations in his posts.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #68  
Ill say one thing. I dont know mark though he does seem to be a good guy full of help ful information.

Cancer is everywhere just waiting to spread and take over, tractors keep this forumn going and the types of people that have tractors
Thankfully this is not a welding only forumn
 
   / What's up at welding web? #71  
I used it often too.
Many times it was faster to find info...since I knew what threads they were in or which member posted it.

X2...
Wednesday, *still* down.
Biggest annoyance is not having access to my WW links. Hobbyist welder, frequently have to look up some detail of process or material. And WW was the go-to site for info. Everything bookmarked. Oh well.

It was a pleasant diversion during the workday, but bottom line - welding was usually just a means to an end. A way to get something repaired and back to work. On the plus side, surfing more on TBN has provided good ideas for old "Alice". If / when winter ever decides to take a break.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #72  
Biggest annoyance is not having access to my WW links. Hobbyist welder, frequently have to look up some detail of process or material. And WW was the go-to site for info. Everything bookmarked. Oh well.

... bottom line - welding was usually just a means to an end. A way to get something repaired and back to work.
Exactly. I don't have any welding documentation beyond the user manuals for my gear.

The bookmarks, links to resources and videos, and a few photos I posted there are/were the body of knowledge I rely(ed) on when I had a question. It never occurred to me this resource would disappear. Back to trial and error ...

If WW never reappears hopefully this TBN forum will become its successor at least for the DIY, hobbyist, farm repair segment that overlaps with tractors. I expect the pro tradesmen would settle somewhere else more focused on welding as a business.


I mentioned above another media empire that is crumbling. I see in the news now that Newsweek is disintegrating in the same manner, they weren't generating enough ad revenue to stay solvent so they cut near everybody then got sold to International Business Times, a publisher focused on ad clicks rather than researching news.

Newsweek in Turmoil: Probe Into Finances and Ties to Bible College Widens - WSJ
A culture that former employees say was geared to chase online views failed to pay dividends. That has led to wide-scale layoffs, missed payrolls and a string of debt and tax liens against the company and its executives.

What went wrong at Newsweek, according to current and former staffers.

Newsweek Couldn’t Pay Its Rent on Time and Faced Eviction


I hope WW reappears.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #73  
Well boys I think she's a goner. I've seen server restoration done and done it myself. It shouldn't take more than two or three days for a site like that (Realistically it should be done in 3-5 hours. Unless the hardware failed). So how do we rebuild? Do we make never better welders from steel or maybe titanium? Maybe we should breed the mods with our best members that make it here.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #74  
A lot of familiar names popping up here and on a few other forums. Anyone know if Brooklyn'sBravest is around? I was working with him on some grinder parts when WW went down.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #75  
Well boys I think she's a goner. I've seen server restoration done and done it myself. It shouldn't take more than two or three days for a site like that (Realistically it should be done in 3-5 hours. Unless the hardware failed). So how do we rebuild? Do we make never better welders from steel or maybe titanium? Maybe we should breed the mods with our best members that make it here.

The head mod, Zap, put out word today that it still is coming back.

Penton had a major crash that put all of their sites out of commission. Sure seems to be taking a long time though...
 
   / What's up at welding web? #76  
The suggested Monday deadline is come and gone, and no real news. Looks like Penton could put up some different information than "down for maintenance" to let users know.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #78  
The suggested Monday deadline is come and gone, and no real news. Looks like Penton could put up some different information than "down for maintenance" to let users know.
You are a paid advertiser on WW, no? And they aren't telling you anything?

This doesn't look good.
 
   / What's up at welding web? #79  
Whole thing kind of bush league from my vantage point. What a way to lose customers/followers. :confused3:
 
   / What's up at welding web? #80  
Well boys I think she's a goner. I've seen server restoration done and done it myself. It shouldn't take more than two or three days for a site like that (Realistically it should be done in 3-5 hours. Unless the hardware failed).
Similar happened here, TBN, several years ago. They had worked themselves into a corner, modifying standard VBulletin locally until finally something broke and they had a mess. But recovery was in the time frame you describe, a few days, and not too much lost. (Not much was explained beyond a brief mention that unsupportable incompatibility had finally bit them).

If you read an old thread from several years ago and see a lot of duplicate posts, that was when I think they had to restore from multiple sources and it wasn't worth the trouble to hand-edit out the duplicates. Big mess, but it became less significant as subsequent posts were made. There's a later problem of the user entering duplicate posts but that's different - the massive duplicates I mentioned appeared out of nowhere all across the board.

I'm content to be a moderator on a much smaller, quieter VB board. If it goes down we kid the owner that he must have bumped the server reaching over to turn off his alarm clock in the morning.

Back in the pre-windows days I was the first manager of a 60-person Netware LAN. We had configured it so well that a year later when a T1 line finally connected us to HQ and the larger world (and the internet), it integrated into the larger network flawlessly. Of course with the new connection to HQ we were required to take on one of their IT 'network specialists', and two interns to assist him, to do what I had been responsible to accomplish half-time alongside my regular work.

I have the greatest respect for anyone who can manage a network or forum such as WW or TBN and keep it right-side-up.
 

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