Wheel spacers to allow Tire Chains on 4310

[Green4310TLB]

I have a JD 4310 with loader and backhoe, been trying to move snow and decided on tire chains after sliding around all winter. Chains rub on the fender and brake rod under tractor. Tires are R4's on 15x19.5 rims - 6 bolt on 6" diameter bolt circle.
So... Since no one makes affordable ones, I am going to make a set myself (best price I found was $350). Local tool shop will do the work, I gave them a good print. Spacers will move rear tires out 2.25" just enough to clear the chains. Would any one else be interested in a set? Price is $250 ( plus shipping.), this just covers the costs to the shop - I'm not making anything. Should fit any JD with that rim size, such as 4010 series, 3203 series. Thanks

 

[JB4310]

I have a JD 4310 with loader and backhoe, been trying to move snow and decided on tire chains after sliding around all winter. Chains rub on the fender and brake rod under tractor. Tires are R4's on 15x19.5 rims - 6 bolt on 6" diameter bolt circle.
So... Since no one makes affordable ones, I am going to make a set myself (best price I found was $350). Local tool shop will do the work, I gave them a good print. Spacers will move rear tires out 2.25" just enough to clear the chains. Would any one else be interested in a set? Price is $250 ( plus shipping.), this just covers the costs to the shop - I'm not making anything. Should fit any JD with that rim size, such as 4010 series, 3203 series. Thanks

Just flip them, I did mine and there is plenty of clearance. Same tractor and same wheels/tires.

No need for spacers.

JB.

 

[beenthere]

I flipped mine around as well, and made chains that have longer side chain and shorter cross chains. They fit higher on the tire and thus give more clearance. And a key here is that they "fit" the tire.

I'd go with the spacers only to add wider stance to the tractor.

 

[Green4310TLB]

Guys, Thanks for the tip. When I asked the dealer about that, they said because the rims are not adjustable it really does not change the spacing. You guys are doing it so it must work. I've not been in to the compacts for very long, usually work with big farm tractors.
Thats is a nice setup with front and rear blades with chains on all four. Do you run it in 4wd that way? Thanks

 

[JB4310]

Guys, Thanks for the tip. When I asked the dealer about that, they said because the rims are not adjustable it really does not change the spacing. You guys are doing it so it must work. I've not been in to the compacts for very long, usually work with big farm tractors.
Thats is a nice setup with front and rear blades with chains on all four. Do you run it in 4wd that way? Thanks

Well I said there's plenty of room, I should of said there is enough room.

You do only gain 2-3 inches, but it is enough room for chains. Flip them side to side of course so you maintain the directional tread.

As far as 4X4 goes, the short answer is yes, most of the time I'm plowing snow I'm in 4X4.

JB

 

[Jay4200]

I have a JD 4310 with loader and backhoe, been trying to move snow and decided on tire chains after sliding around all winter. Chains rub on the fender and brake rod under tractor. Tires are R4's on 15x19.5 rims - 6 bolt on 6" diameter bolt circle.
So... Since no one makes affordable ones, I am going to make a set myself (best price I found was $350). Local tool shop will do the work, I gave them a good print. Spacers will move rear tires out 2.25" just enough to clear the chains. Would any one else be interested in a set? Price is $250 ( plus shipping.), this just covers the costs to the shop - I'm not making anything. Should fit any JD with that rim size, such as 4010 series, 3203 series. Thanks

FYI - I got 2-link ladder bar chains for my L4200 (w/ turfs) this year from tirechain.com. The use 3/8" chain (local guys use 5/16") and are $315+shipping (local guys cost $475). 4-linkers are $175 from tirechain and were $275 from the local guys. Anyway, after paying your shop you still have to buy chain - I don't know what 160# of chain costs, but it's definitely not free. Just make sure you are comparing apples to apples when you call around then take into account your additional time and effort.

JayC

 

[RoyJackson]

By swapping the rear tires (in my case, with turfs, I could reverse them), you can get quite adequate clearance for chains.
The chains are the 4-link ladder type from tirechains.com.
See the "Before" and "After" pics below:

 

[beenthere]

On the R-4's, one will gain about an inch or inch and a half by reversing the tires/rims.

Altogether different wheel with the turfs and Ag's.

 

[RoyJackson]

On the R-4's, one will gain about an inch or inch and a half by reversing the tires/rims.

Altogether different wheel with the turfs and Ag's.

Depends on how deep they're dished. When I measured my 790's rear wheels (tires were 15-19.5...pretty common R-4 size for Deere CUTs), I calculated 2" per side.
I could be comparing apples to oranges, but it's worth measuring the dish before using spacers. Just MHO...

 

[Ojonesy]

Caution:

If you're going to shorten your cross chains (width) and then lengthen the side chain to "raise" the side chain closer to the tire shoulder two things can happen.

1. As the chain moves it will tend to try to peel itself off the tire.

2. Additional torque on the chain could cause premature wear and failure.

The side chain is supposed to rest on the tire sidewall. Correct fitment allows the chain to move and sit properly on the tire. A chain that is too wide or too narrow will tend to give you some headaches down the road.

BTW...nice tip on the wheel reversal.

Brian
Ken Jones Tires

 

[beenthere]

Caution:

If you're going to shorten your cross chains (width) and then lengthen the side chain to "raise" the side chain closer to the tire shoulder two things can happen.

1. As the chain moves it will tend to try to peel itself off the tire.

2. Additional torque on the chain could cause premature wear and failure.

The side chain is supposed to rest on the tire sidewall. Correct fitment allows the chain to move and sit properly on the tire. A chain that is too wide or too narrow will tend to give you some headaches down the road.

BTW...nice tip on the wheel reversal.

Brian
.......QUOTE]

Brian
That hasn't been a problem at all for me, nor premature wear or failure. And there has been no sign of the chain trying to peel itself off the tire.
That has been my experience in the last 12 years running the chains I made in my pic posted earlier.
I've been running chains on my tractors for over 50 years now.

 

[RoyJackson]

BTW, tirechains.com recommends 2.5" minimum clearance between the fender and tire sidewall. That, on an average man's hand, is about 3 fingers width. So, if you can get three fingers between your fender and sidewall, you need no spacers or tire/wheel swapping.
3 Fingers also works quite well as a measure for one's favorite distilled beverage too, BTW...

 

[rayclar]

i know this is a old post but i own a L4310 with turf tires, are they all reversable or only certain rims? thanks ray

 

[JB4310]

i know this is a old post but i own a L4310 with turf tires, are they all reversable or only certain rims? thanks ray

Not sure, but if the dish is deeper on the outside now probably not, due to inside wheel well clearance. you will have to measure.

Do you want to put chains on?

JB

 

[rayclar]

yes i want to put chains on but the way it is now with the blower mounted there is no room, maybe one inch.

 

[leonz]

Your turf tires are fine without changing
them/flipping them.

If you use the ladder chains and
chain tensioners you should have no
problems.

If your wheels are large enough you
should buy the chain tensioners that
have spring spokes to tighten the chains
at all times after the ladder chain is fully
tightened on the inside.

You will most likely find that letting air out
of the tires and then mounting the ladder
chains and the chain tensioners will be the
easiest way to mount them.

 

[RoyJackson]

Your turf tires are fine without changing
them/flipping them.

If you use the ladder chains and
chain tensioners you should have no
problems.

I'm afraid you're wrong on both counts, Leonz...

rayclar's rear turfs are probably 41-14-20's. If so, and the wheels are set in the stock (valve stem out) position, there's only about an inch of clearance between the sidewall of the tire and the fender. That's not enough for the size of chains required.
Reversing the tires (don't need to swap side to side with turfs) gained me a good 2.5" per side...quite enough clearance. I have before and after pictures posted on this thread's post #7 , BTW.

rayclar, before you do this, take JB4310's advice and measure from the flange of the wheel to the face of the hub, both outside and inside (just one wheel will do the job). If there's more then 1.5" difference (inside being the greater dimension), it's worth the change. I'm pretty sure you have the same wheels and tires as I have on my Deere 4400, but still measure the wheels as described.
If you do decide to reverse the wheels, be prepared for the weight (especially if they're filled).

BTW, I got my chains from www.tirechain.com. Do not wait too long for purchasing as they do run out of the more popular sizes and don't restock until Spring. I have 4-link ladders on the rears only and they work very well. My drive is fairly level.

 

[big e]

I had same issue. Here are pix of wheels mounted "in" and "out". Did not need to use spacers. The first pic with chains shows the lack of clearance. Have not remounted the chains since moving wheels out so I don't have an pic of that.

 

[rayclar]

thanks all but no one answered my question. are all rims reversable or only certain ones?

 

[JB4310]

thanks all but no one answered my question. are all rims reversable or only certain ones?

The answer is, certain ones are not reversible.

Most can be flipped, even turfs like Roy showed. But I have seen some very wide turfs where the dish is very deep, those could not be flipped.

JB