Where is the American Dream kive and well?

   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #41  
Did you know there was no immigration to the United States from 1924 to 1965. Maybe we another period like that for people to become vested Americans. HS

My parents immigrated here from Canada in 1962. My Dad became a US citizen right away, but my mom remained a Canadian citizen until the late 80 when she realized that if my dad passed away, her benefits from his pension would be cut in half. Since my mom was a Canadian citizen when I was born, I'm eligible to duel citizenship. One of my brothers did this and he prefers to travel on his Canadian passport.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #42  
There was a show in radio while back about American dream. The research looked at several immigrant families with well documented history. The conclusion was that it takes three generation to live the American dream. The first generation (usually uneducated) works very hard to make ends meet but stays just above poverty level. Second generation gets better education and entrenched itself in middle class but didn't get rich by any measure. The third generation gets very good education but either adds to what their parents built or squanders it.
It is true that you have to plan for future and make good choices. I am first generation immigrant. When I arrived about 29 years ago to New York airport I told myself: Wow. Look at this place. All people were well dressed and drove away in shiny cars etc. It was a dream come true. Then came the shock. I got first job that paid quarter over minimum wage, bus ticket to work cost about half what I made. I thought that was starting pay and it will get better later on. Then I found that there were people working there for several years making about quarter more than what I was making. I worked there only few weeks and found a job in a laundry of a hotel that paid less but was walking distance (about 2 miles) from my apartment. It paid minimum wage but provided thee meals a day. This experience scared me so much that I didn't party, studied hard, didn't miss single day at school and graduated on top of the class.
It landed me in "real" job that I held until I retired at the end of last year. The job payed enough so my wife and I maxed out our 401K, put more money in several investments and paid college for four children. All of our children are doing OK, some better than the other but all are out of our payroll.
Our plan was simple. Living under our means, acting rather poor, buy second hand cars, garage sale furniture etc. Then one day we looked back and realized that we are not poor anymore. We bought our land, built new house, bought a tractor and other toys etc. We still buy second hand cars. I can say we are living American dream.
It took 25 year of hard work and a great dose of good luck. But that is another good American story.
Many immigrants I know have similar story like my but many more failed to realize the American dream. While on work assignment several years ago I checked in the hotel I worked my second job. Some people I worked with were still there.

Very close to the story of many and one of my family too...

I still manage a few rentals in Oakland CA and find many successful emigrant families... most are Asian.

They come with a dream and the family makes it work... as in everyone has a job and they pool resources... often with 3 generations under one roof...
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #43  
From the replies here looks like the American Dream depends probably more on who you are than where you are.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #44  
You may want to check the percentage of pension short fall contributions most states are running, now. Many states are looking for a way out to pay pensioners due to never actually having put the money aside.

Well it wouldn't be any different than what private industry did. Executives kick you to the curb on the way to the chow line. I managed very well around it, but some have not.

If company X kicks an employee to the curb, the employee is shafted. If government does not fund their pensions funds, the retired, current employees AND THE TAXPAYERS are shafted. Someone has to make up the shortfall in funds. The reality is that those on pensions and current employees will take a hair cut and the TAXPAYER will have a rate hike to pay for the unfunded and/or underfunded pension plans. The people on the pension or employe's close to retirement will really get shafted since they likely will have little ability to recover the lost income.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #45  
I guess it is all relative...

Working and knowing a lot of emigrants here in the SF Bay Area it is the American Dream just being here...

Things are not static... I've hosted students from Germany, Austria and Switzerland and to a last one... all valued their American Experience and would not have traded if for the world... they all went home to start a family and careers...

Just the opposite for those I work with from Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Fiji, Philippines, Hong Kong, India, etc... they all work in the Medical Professions... nurses aids, registered nurses to Doctors... none would return home... they are living their dream.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #46  
Where the heck do you dig up these false facts? Do you have ANY valid links?

2% was still a good number.
In 1929, there were 279,678 immigrants recorded. Due to the depression and WWII immigration slumped, but after the war jumped back to a quarter million or more per year.
http://www.simile-widgets.org/timeplot/examples/immigration/immigration.txt

Numbers of immigrants from the link.

And that's only LEGAL immigrants.

I know several people who came here after WW2 as refugees. Mostly because their former homes were occupied by the commies. We had a bunch of skilled trades guys that were WW2 vets - mostly on the German side, in the plants when I started in the 70's. Funny, I never met one who admitted to fighting against the Americans, they all professed to being on the eastern front.... Not one guy.....:)
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #47  
I know several people who came here after WW2 as refugees. Mostly because their former homes were occupied by the commies. We had a bunch of skilled trades guys that were WW2 vets - mostly on the German side, in the plants when I started in the 70's. Funny, I never met one who admitted to fighting against the Americans, they all professed to being on the eastern front.... Not one guy.....:)

I met a guy once who was a German immigrant who admitted to being on western front. He was ashamed of that but what's a 16 year old to do?

Really nice guy, I could have talked to him for hours.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #48  
I know several people who came here after WW2 as refugees. Mostly because their former homes were occupied by the commies. We had a bunch of skilled trades guys that were WW2 vets - mostly on the German side, in the plants when I started in the 70's. Funny, I never met one who admitted to fighting against the Americans, they all professed to being on the eastern front.... Not one guy.....:)

One of my first jobs was working in a Tool and Die shop... about half the workers came from Germany, Switzerland and even one from Austria...

Most grew up during the war and their families said go to America and make a life... they all had sponsors that were mostly Uncles...

Extremely talented guys and the best at what they did... still remember the shop foreman Otto, and shop steward Heinz...

The shop owner was German and emigrated to Michigan after WWI in 1920... during WWII all his production was for the War Department to fight the Japanese and Germans...
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #49  
Property tax is to high here
food is high priced
gas tax, diesel tax high

Wis. is better then where I grew up but being in the mid west the tax rate could be a lot better here!.

When you add it all up it is not a bad state. School pre and post secondary is excellent, heath care is accessible, roads not bad, fairly stable state. Compared to Connecticut IMO anyway. Issue is when you get lower taxes schools and the like suffer, so you have to look at how the states spend there money for what you are getting. Now without young kids i would look at things differently, However now that I am older and have to use heath care, i would look at things differently yet again. So, as for looking for a place to live have to look at where you are at in life and where you are going to move too. Example looking ahead i built our house when i was 40 and i installed backing in the shower for handicapped bars, made all the door 36", if you live in the sticks and have a 1,000 foot drive, how you going to plow it when something happens to you? A lot ot of the American dream, getting there anyway has to do with foresight and/or good planning.
 

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