which one, JD 1025R or MF GC1720 or MF 1526 with woods backhoe or NH25s

[Phillip w]

You guys wanted the details on the mf. About John Deere??? I have had many John Deere products over the years. This include tractors, combines, swathers, balers, drills etc. No real issues. I'm not the least bit concerned about getting into a deere product. My dad has a 4100 subcompact tractor. He has had good luck with the tractor. Yes, it is yanmar and he has worked the daylights out of that little tractor. I did have a d-15 allis one time that I was not proud of. However, it didn't have near the issues or cost me near the money my mf did. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The farm belt is a good testing ground for tractors. If the mf agco products are so good, drive out across the farm belt and show them to me. I'm not seeing them. That obviously tells you something. It is kind of sad you asking for details, I give them to you as asked and then you dog me for a mf rant. You asked and I told you about the mf and my experience with it.

 

[AxleHub]

So Phillip,

You posted " The farm belt is a good testing ground for tractors. If the mf agco products are so good, drive out across the farm belt and show them to me."

Well my state of Wisconsin is certainly a farming state - and when I drive down the rural roads and highways - in the fields where tractors operate - I see MF tractors and equipment often.

Now for some other information. Below is a question and answer directly from the internet:

Question = = = > Which tractors are made in the USA?

Answer = = = > "There are a few assembly plants in the United States putting some tractors together but pretty much everything is actually made overseas and none of the power trains are built out here. Case, Ford, New Holland, Massey, McCormick, Kubota, and yup you guessed it, even big JD are all made elsewhere."

 

[Phillip w]

I did acknowledge that little John Deere are yanmar made. (Japan) However, there are a lot of deere tractors Waterloo, Iowa. When I worked in a manufacturing, we sent a team to Waterloo, Iowa to tour the John Deere plant. I really can't think of any tractor under 40-50 horse being built in usa. There may be some assembled here with foreign made parts.

 

[plowhog]

The farm belt is a good testing ground for tractors. If the mf agco products are so good, drive out across the farm belt and show them to me.

I'm not sure this is a legitimate way to evaluate the tractor market, especially for many owners and users here and their size of tractors. To compare, educational classrooms are excellent proving grounds for personal computers. Those classrooms are dominated by Apple Mac computers, not Microsoft Windows PC's. If you made this same comparison you'd conclude the PC shouldn't even exist. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, but instead everything to do with where the manufacturer focused their marketing resources. Apple has pursued the total dominance of the classroom market for many decades. Where has Deere marketing spent their focus?

 

[WranglerX]

If one were to go and read the tractor brand forum by "brands" it seems there is not one without their problems...

It's the problem of today's concept of trying to put out a product (maybe not cheapest) that will satisfy the customer at a reasonable cost.... Would you be willing to pay 25% more for brand "B" than brand "A" if you knew brand "B" did not have all the same "industry wide problems" as in brand "A" or "C" or "X" or "Z"... OR are you willing to take the chance on brand "P" and hope it does not have some of the industry wide problems...

You have to remember too the most of of the rants are from a tiny percentage of people that are having a problem with their tractor, you don't hear from the perfectly (or moderately) satisfied consumers the have yet to be become disappointed in their purchase....

I could tell you the story of my piece of crap 2005 chevy truck but story is not worth wasting the bandwidth, because everybody already know what it is....

I being a new tractor owner sort of listen to my tractor when operation it, and understand it when it says "I can't do that" and not force my wishes beyond the machines capabilities...

Dale

 

[atsah]

If one were to go and read the tractor brand forum by "brands" it seems there is not one without their problems...

Exactly..

I have read a few threads concerning welds on MF loaders being pretty bad, my DL95 couldn't have been welded any better than it is, perfect penetration. Any high quantity output man made machines will have a few defects here and there I don't care who makes it, just the way it is.

When the JD 2305 first came out I bought one TLB, I had no problems with it at all, I bought it to do some work at my new property and sold it 200 hours later. I found the backhoe to be fairly useless for my needs, a guy not far from me bought the same tractor a couple of years later, he hated it, took him two hours to rip the hydro filter off because it hung straight down with no plate to protect it, the GC filter runs parallel and has a plate for protection, he also rubbed the hydro hoses against something because they stick out the side and broke the coupling, He also didn't care for the loader arms being so wide as opposed to my GC being tucked in like it is, The injection pump leaked at 50 hours, Can't keep everybody happy all the time..

 

[Phillip w]

I'm not sure this is a legitimate way to evaluate the tractor market, especially for many owners and users here and their size of tractors. To compare, educational classrooms are excellent proving grounds for personal computers. Those classrooms are dominated by Apple Mac computers, not Microsoft Windows PC's. If you made this same comparison you'd conclude the PC shouldn't even exist. It has nothing to do with the quality of the product, but instead everything to do with where the manufacturer focused their marketing resources. Apple has pursued the total dominance of the classroom market for many decades. Where has Deere marketing spent their focus?

I disagree with your computer analogy. These guys with a little tractor and a few acres basically have and use it as an overgrown lawn mower. From old to new, from big to small, the riggers of a farm is the best way to discover what your tractor is made of. Computers in a classroom pretty much do the same thing as computers at home. With tractors on the farm it is not an overgrown lawn mower. Tractors are used for plowing, discing, planting, haying, harvesting, feeding cattle, hauling manure, etc. A whole lot different that a guy with a few acres needing an overgrown lawn mower. Out across Kansas, it is dominated by John Deere and case-ih. Now with you get close to the large towns you see the different brands of small tractors. But on the farms? No, if these guys need a small little tractor, the go with a brand the already have and trust. It is John Deere and case-ih mostly.

 

[atsah]

I disagree with your computer analogy. These guys with a little tractor and a few acres basically have and use it as an overgrown lawn mower. From old to new, from big to small, the riggers of a farm is the best way to discover what your tractor is made of. Computers in a classroom pretty much do the same thing as computers at home. With tractors on the farm it is not an overgrown lawn mower. Tractors are used for plowing, discing, planting, haying, harvesting, feeding cattle, hauling manure, etc. A whole lot different that a guy with a few acres needing an overgrown lawn mower. Out across Kansas, it is dominated by John Deere and case-ih. Now with you get close to the large towns you see the different brands of small tractors. But on the farms? No, if these guys need a small little tractor, the go with a brand the already have and trust. It is John Deere and case-ih mostly.

Are you calling a 1531 a "farm tractor"?? It's nothing more than a nursery tractor made to lift mulch, dirt etc, a 1531 is NOT a farm tractor and shouldn't be used as one.. Lift to full hight is 785lbs, It's basically a hobby farm tractor..

 

[plowhog]

I disagree with your computer analogy. These guys with a little tractor and a few acres basically have and use it as an overgrown lawn mower.

You've said the tractor models being considered are entirely different than the industrial farm tractors you are comparing to. So lets use a vehicle analogy instead. Based on your approach, since Freightliner and Peterbilt dominate the long haul truck market, anyone shopping for a pickup truck should only buy a Freightliner or Peterbilt pickup truck. So goodbye to the Dodge Ram, Chevy Silverado, and Ford F150, which is the best selling pickup truck model. Pretty silly.

 

[AxleHub]

. . . . . These guys with a little tractor and a few acres basically have and use it as an overgrown lawn mower. From old to new, from big to small, the riggers of a farm is the best way to discover what your tractor is made of. . . . . . . . . With tractors on the farm it is not an overgrown lawn mower. Tractors are used for plowing, discing, planting, haying, harvesting, feeding cattle, hauling manure, etc. A whole lot different that a guy with a few acres needing an overgrown lawn mower. Out across Kansas, it is dominated by John Deere and case-ih. Now with you get close to the large towns you see the different brands of small tractors. But on the farms? No, if these guys need a small little tractor, the go with a brand the already have and trust. It is John Deere and case-ih mostly.

I'm always hesitant to make fast judgements or assumptions on posters because we all have different opinions and may have different knowledge awareness too. But Phillip, I also believe if you let a person talk enough - they'll demonstrate if they are correct or way off base. So I've read your many posts on numerous threads over the last two years. Here is what your pattern is - you claim you never create your equipment problems - its always the tractor is the problem. But then you claim you use it very lightly in one post and then in other posts you use it heavily with big loads. You claim you operated it carefully - yet then you'll talk about being in 2wd and starting to slip so you flip it into 4wd and "suddenly it breaks". Over and over and over again - its never you - always the equipment and the glories of the old big tractors you have or had.

Then comes posts like this one where you show how negative you are to smaller tractors that are merely "overgrown lawn mowers" like the one you bought - a 31 hp Massey product. You have great disdain for smaller tractors - yet you bought one after you sold the big farm and only have a few acres now. My point comes from your own posts - you use tractors like you did when you had big farm tractors - you expect them to do things far beyond their capacities - then b ad mouth them when they don't. If you have no respect for compact tractors (as this most recent post of yours certainly documents) - why did you buy one and why are you considering getting another one? If you express these types of opinions as this most recent one documents - but then in other posts talk about how you use them hard - what can you expect ?

I'm tired of hearing on such and such a person claims they are weak - yet you bought one. You want us to believe you are a skilled operator - but skilled operators understand and know the limits of their equipment and don't expect performance they are not spec'd to produce. Yet by your own posts of the last year and more - your own words show either you bought a unit and never understood its specifications - and merely assumed it would do what your big units did . . . or you are not the skilled operator you always claim. You can't even get a newer tractor to start in the winter - and you live in a moderate climate state like KS ?????? Who do you think believes those kinds of statements - when many of us live if far harsher winter climates - with uncovered unprotected units and successfully start them all the time - even in the -20 F. temps.

Any one single of your posts may have left some room for you being partially accurate - but the enormous number of constant contradictions doesn't - there are just so many contradictions. It would seem your retirement from farming was a wise move on your part both financially and for other reasons I won't mention here. Enjoy all your money - and live in the present - not the past. Good luck to you.

jmho

P.S. By the way - you'd disagreed with someone else's example of a home vs. business PC computer are different - and you stated that a home computer and a work or business PC computer do the same things. I'll guarantee you his example was highly accurate and your statement was highly incorrect. A home computer is rated with a life expectancy average today of less than 16 months while business rated PC computers are rated for 36 to 39 months on average. Their components are different - their service power-on hours per day expectation is double or triple that of a home computer. And their cooling capacities and air-gap spacing vary greatly from a home computer - not to mention memory chip choices and motherboard connectivity.