Which would you pick and why?
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coasterez
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Jordanh,
You are right not to let anyone talk you in to smaller. The CK20 is a nice machine, but won't dig like the CK25.
Incidentally, I think the CK25 hits the mark perfectly if looking for primarily a ground engaging machine - much heavier than the CK20.
Though I do agree they could offer more hp on the CK20 frame for those looking for a compact mower. If the CK20 had more pto HP, it could easily handle much larger mower decks. Perhaps the suggestion here is the CK25 engine and hydralic pump on the CK20 chassis? Heck, why not 30 hp on the CK20 chassis?
Have you looked at the TYM T273? It's a good bit lighter than the CK20. But, is over a foot shorter, and has a very tight turning radius. PTO HP is about the same as the CK25 gear. Only comes in HST though. Very cool tractor.
You are right not to let anyone talk you in to smaller. The CK20 is a nice machine, but won't dig like the CK25.
Incidentally, I think the CK25 hits the mark perfectly if looking for primarily a ground engaging machine - much heavier than the CK20.
Though I do agree they could offer more hp on the CK20 frame for those looking for a compact mower. If the CK20 had more pto HP, it could easily handle much larger mower decks. Perhaps the suggestion here is the CK25 engine and hydralic pump on the CK20 chassis? Heck, why not 30 hp on the CK20 chassis?
Have you looked at the TYM T273? It's a good bit lighter than the CK20. But, is over a foot shorter, and has a very tight turning radius. PTO HP is about the same as the CK25 gear. Only comes in HST though. Very cool tractor.
The 273 is too small.....under 1700 lbs. 233 is nearly just as heavy as a kioti 25/30.
Montana.......found a used 3240 synchro with loader AND backhoe with R4's and 65 hours for $16200 asking price Hmmmmmm......right in the power/weight range I wanted, position control, good flow ratings.......
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I think I'll stick with Jon at Depratt......he's a **** of a good dealer and a nice guy to boot.
Montana.......found a used 3240 synchro with loader AND backhoe with R4's and 65 hours for $16200 asking price Hmmmmmm......right in the power/weight range I wanted, position control, good flow ratings.......
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I think I'll stick with Jon at Depratt......he's a **** of a good dealer and a nice guy to boot.
williekioti
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IMHO I think either machine (the ones you were asking Ck25hst/Ck30 gear) will accomplish your tasks. I personally think five HP either way is not a consideration with ground engaging or FEL work, more a function of wieght, traction and hydralics which both these machines share. I was in your shoes five months ago, considering the same two machines. I ended up with the 30 gear after much consideration. I had every faith that the hst would stand up to years of use but I like the old school security of stout gears on my hilly topography and have no intention of trading up or selling in the near future. I've had mine for four months and have gotten quite adept shuttling fwd/rev using the FEL, not a problem for me. I don't mow with mine so that's not a consideration. So the way I see it is do you like hst or shuttle shift better. Choose what works for you and your needs. Don't know if I was much help, but either way you go you win. Good luck.
WK
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coasterez
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What??? I'm confused the T233 is just a less hp T273 - same everything, except for engine. Neither are as big as CK25/30, nor are they even as heavy as the CK20. Perhaps you really mean the TYM 330? The 330 is about the same size as the CK30.
I tested a 330; wasn't real impressed. But, did like it's Century/Branson cousin, now offered as the 2910 (I think). Love their wide stance and loaders.
I too discounted the K2's on size. I thought that since you mentioned liking them, that they were acceptable size wise. For mowing, the T273 is better than the CK20, CK25, or the CK30. And it's short wheel base and tight turning will allow it to get into spots the CK's couldn't. But, they aren't the diggers that the CK's are. Still very nice, all around landscape tractor.
I tested a 330; wasn't real impressed. But, did like it's Century/Branson cousin, now offered as the 2910 (I think). Love their wide stance and loaders.
I too discounted the K2's on size. I thought that since you mentioned liking them, that they were acceptable size wise. For mowing, the T273 is better than the CK20, CK25, or the CK30. And it's short wheel base and tight turning will allow it to get into spots the CK's couldn't. But, they aren't the diggers that the CK's are. Still very nice, all around landscape tractor.
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I agree with Highbeam. You should be considering a CK20 HST. It will easily handle preparation of one acre and is a smaller but highly capable machine that will be easier to work with in an orchard. Compare the FEL capabilities of the CK20 to CK25/30: not much difference really. The 20 is plenty heavy enough to be pulling 48" implements for soil prep and those are appropriate sizes for one acre of land. Save the $1500-2000 for the upgrade in tractor size and put it into more or better implements for your primary land prep or maintenance tasks and you'll be a happy man.
Woodbeef
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I'd have to agree with BTI and the others: 25 for gear,30 for shiftless........Not the other way around.
Putting the bigger motor in a CK20 frame would be an interesting machine. Might be too light with a gear tranny though to use the extra hp.
Putting the bigger motor in a CK20 frame would be an interesting machine. Might be too light with a gear tranny though to use the extra hp.
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jordanh said:
I'd agree with you about the CK20. Even a moderate size homeowner version of a lawn tractor or a zero turn radius lawn mower will have more power and weigh 1500 to 2000 pounds less. Try strapping 1500 pounds onto a little Cub Cadet lawn tractor and see how much power it has left over to turn 4 tires and pull a ground engaging implement. There is a reason that your average lawn mower has around 25 hp just for mowing, and that is usually just for a 42" cut. Go check them out and see what hp is now used for a lawn tractor or zero turn radius mower. If you go with less power and a lot more weight, your weight will be extremely inefficient. Weight does you no good without power.
bearhawk
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jordanh said:
Get the 30 Gear. no substitute for Horsepower.
I drag a 60" Box Blade and a 72" York Rake with my CK20HST, so I think you will be very happy with the CK30.
coasterez
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To compare a 20 something hp gas garden tractor to the CK20, or any other heavy diesel machine, just isn't right. The real reason garden tractors have so much hp for their weight is three fold:
1. Marketing hype (just like megapixels for digital cameras) - preying on people's ignorance and desire to keep up with the Jones.
2. The torque curves on Gas engines require it and need to run full throttle to get the hp
3. Belt drive trannys, which most garden tractors have, lose a lot of hp through the drive system. How many actually list their "pto" hp?
So, I think to reason that the CK20 is too heavy for its respective hp just doesn't hold water - and those who own them know so. The diesel delivers nice flat torque curves, and shaft drives make most of the hp available to the implements - big difference from the average garden tractor. The CK's weight is actually a real advantage for ground engagement. Light machines just can't get the traction to deliver the hp to the ground.
That said, more hp is always better.
1. Marketing hype (just like megapixels for digital cameras) - preying on people's ignorance and desire to keep up with the Jones.
2. The torque curves on Gas engines require it and need to run full throttle to get the hp
3. Belt drive trannys, which most garden tractors have, lose a lot of hp through the drive system. How many actually list their "pto" hp?
So, I think to reason that the CK20 is too heavy for its respective hp just doesn't hold water - and those who own them know so. The diesel delivers nice flat torque curves, and shaft drives make most of the hp available to the implements - big difference from the average garden tractor. The CK's weight is actually a real advantage for ground engagement. Light machines just can't get the traction to deliver the hp to the ground.
That said, more hp is always better.