Why do people not want to work?

[goeduck]

The neighbor lady is 50 years old for 3 children... she "Inherited" her mother's Section 8 certificate when the Mother died unexpectedly... mother was truly disabled... lost fingers from being badly burned and teribbly disfigured... but a true lady in every sense...

Grandma took in her grandkids when their mother was on drugs... grandma dies and the problem mother takes over "Inheriting" the housing Voucher...

Now the 3 kids because one came later all have had run ins with the law and now the problem Mom is now a Grandmother and has custody of her two grandsons born to drug addicted Mom...

So the cycle repeats... no one in the family has held a job... all have criminal and/or drug use... they reside in a $2800 rental single family home and pay $150 a month portion of Section 8 rent... basically, have a home for life under the Just Cause Eviction Rules... as long as the rent is paid... and this is just housing...

As mentioned Grandma gets paid for taking care of her Grandsons... Grandma has bought several new Toyota cars... first one totaled... second one stolen and now on number 3...

The kicker is Housing approves of a 3 bedroom home for 3 people... yet the working married family man next door who also cares for his Mother In Law... has his 3 kids on one bedroom... baby in his and wife's bedroom and mother in law set up in the family room... simply because he is paying his own way...

Why work if you can do better on assistance?

(Again... this is SF Bay Area)

WOW !! I had to google section 8.

On a side note, I never have fully understood housing authorities. I know in Seattle they have about 60 facilities and over 600 employees. They have their own garbage trucks, etc. Fiefdom building if you ask me.

 

[Wagtail]

What freedoms have been given up?

Here in the states, It seems like we have given up the right to self determination. Heck, we can't even put down a cow, horse or dog without "professional" approval and oversight. A pity, but I suppose enough people made a poor job if any of it, that "something had to be done". snark!

I honestly don't know how to answer that. I certainly feel free and Australia sports one of the most stable governments in the world (Westminster Parliament/Constitutional Monarchy).

In your posting #148, you've visited and found that you weren't 'restricted' in your movements and that the local laws were not really any different to your own... Heck (at the risk of, but hopefully not, being political re: your "2nd"), there are rifle & pistol ranges/shooting clubs in abundance. St Helens has one + a skeet shooting range out towards Binalong Bay.

Farmers have single shot (non semi-automatic) rifles/shotguns for pest control and for putting down livestock (no 'Vet approval req'd).

I would say that Tassie would be familiar to you and your Vermont landscape with milder Winter temps. I love it here.

 

[ultrarunner]

WOW !! I had to google section 8.

On a side note, I never have fully understood housing authorities. I know in Seattle they have about 60 facilities and over 600 employees. They have their own garbage trucks, etc. Fiefdom building if you ask me.

The problem from my experience is Housing becomes a way of life that often spans generations... plus it is a gateway to the world of assistance making it very hard to leave gov assistance for the free market.

Since 1983 I can count on one hand the family success stories where assistance was only temporary.

One case is when a 19 year old college student when her sister and brother-in-law we're killed by a drink driver and she took in her 12 an14 year old niece and nephew...

Housing can also be a godsend for elderly to remain in their apartments... Sometimes the assistance is only two or three hundred a month...

 

[prof fate]

Sounds good.

But you also have things like my best friend from college - he had a girl and a boy a year later. The girl graduated valedictorian from college, went on for a masters, very succussful.
The son, same family, same geneitics, etc - finally at age 27 has held a job longer than 8 months. got thown out of the house a few times for not working/paying rent, etc.

Why is one motivated and the other not?
Why are some satisfied to live a welfare/ghetto life, yet others climb out and succeed?

There are rare exceptions but it isn't human nature to do more than necessary for getting by. Working to accomplish what we want from life must be taught and is an ongoing day to day process. The same is true for milking the system and something for nothing,it is far too often taught to many from the day they are born. I was no exception. If mom had gave me a choice I would have fished and hunted rather than helping her on the farm. To be honest,considering the availability of welfare,I'd still need an a** wupping now to make me hoe cotton in the Tx summer.
I never rose to great heights but my son own's a succesful business and daughter is a public school administrator. They in turn raised a teacher,a pharmacist,a firefighter,a class valedictorian that is still in school,a boy that is still in high school,own's a flock of sheep and is working an outdoor summer job in 95-101f daily temperatures. To my knowledge,noone above ever received food stamps or welfare. I want to make it clear that without mom's determination and prodding,I very well might have lived off welfare my intire life and likely taught my kids to do the same.

 

[Jstpssng]

WOW !! I had to google section 8.

On a side note, I never have fully understood housing authorities. I know in Seattle they have about 60 facilities and over 600 employees. They have their own garbage trucks, etc. Fiefdom building if you ask me.

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We’re on the other side of the continent from California yet are faced with some of the same ideas. The only difference is that, aside from the southern tip most of the state isn’t making a whole lot of extra to begin with... and we just elected a governor who seems to think she has the keys to Fort Knox.

 

[RustyA]

I grew up poor in an era when my parents goal was to make sure I ended up better than they were in education and finances. They taught me pride in myself and my appearance, pride in working hard and a job well done, and learning to live below your means and becoming debt free rather than a slave to the banks. Today there is a severe lack of pride in general which is the reason people accept help without working for it, using a phone others pay for, and eating food they did not earn. Not sure how to fix these problems other than training parents to raise their children to be independent and productive rather than dependent and lazy.

 

[drssg]

An alternate position:

"They deem me mad because I will not sell my days for gold; and I deem them mad because they think my days have a price."
Kahlil Gibran

That's fine, as long as Kahlil doesn't complain because he's hungry.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I just came from yet another manufacturing customer in a Rural small town setting. Same thing, they can't find people to work light manufacturing. Fifteen years ago, applicants were lined up for blocks for a few jobs. I wonder what has changed so much in that time?

 

[ovrszd]

I just came from yet another manufacturing customer in a Rural small town setting. Same thing, they can't find people to work light manufacturing. Fifteen years ago, applicants wee lined up for blocks for a few jobs. I wonder what has changed so much in that time?

Social programs.

 

[atsah]

If people want their children to work. Make them pay for cell phones, going out etc instead of parents paying for everything, they need to learn the value of a dollar instead of being given everything, appreciating nothing and expecting everything for free.. The entitlement problem begins at home..