why tym tractors loader lift rateings so much better than jd?

[nards444]

The price difference for the top brands is just a sunk cost, you get back more than that difference on any resale and the top brands are much easier to sell.

Yes and no resale value is somewhat of a myth. For instance when pricing TYM vs Kubota the difference was 30% 32k vs 23k . Lets say 10 years down the road the The TYM depreciates by half and the Kubota by 40%. The TYM would sell for roughly 12k with a net loss of 12k. The Kubota would sell for 20k with a lost of 12k as well, but you also paid 9k more for it. Seems like a wash to me. Proportionally wise you will never realize your initial investment in the kubota at least financially, better machine works better for you that is possible, in terms of dollars for dollars doubtful spending 30% up front or more will be mean you get more in return percentage wise.

To be honest buying crap to hold value if you plan on keeping it for years to come is skewed anyways, unless you your the guy that is in and out of equipment every 2-5 years then holding value may be concern, but you still have to bounce it against what you paid. Me personally I dont buy things for the next guy or hoping to get more bucks back on the back end, because buying a depreciating asset just means a loss all around, buy the machine or tool that does the job and fits the budget.

Now sellability is different orange and green paint will always win the sellability argument at least for now, which is something to be said, but value and sellability are two different things.

 

[s219]

Kubota does build their loaders in Georgia! As well as backhoes! They do that to assure that the attaching points are able to handle the loads without issues that other manufacturers have had in the past. They also are able to size the cylinders and valves for the hydraulic system so everything is able to work at it's best for the longer life. They are probably the most American built tractor at this time.

Yep, they have quite a sizable operation in Georgia and other states manufacturing loaders, backhoes, etc. Still, most of the tractors come crated as a knock-down "kit" from Japan. Kubota US ships the US-built loaders, backhoes, implements, etc to dealers in separate crates. Tires/wheels come from Titan and shipped by Kubota. Then the dealer puts it all together into a package. An exception is cab tractors which get assembled by Kubota, and of course the larger Ag tractors. But it's a pretty interesting operation.

 

[s219]

Now sellability is different orange and green paint will always win the sellability argument at least for now, which is something to be said, but value and sellability are two different things.

I think that's more of the issue. I see used tractors come and go on the lot at my local Deere dealer, which I drive past every day. The less well known brands sit on the lot much longer.

See something similar with outboard motors, where Yamaha has been the hot ticket for easy resale for years. They cost quite a bit more upfront and aren't any better than a Suzuki (for example), but when selling a boat, buyers seem to seek out and want the Yamaha over the other brands.

There is something to be said for market recognition and how it drives resale down the road.

 

[nards444]

I think that's more of the issue. I see used tractors come and go on the lot at my local Deere dealer, which I drive past every day. The less well known brands sit on the lot much longer.

See something similar with outboard motors, where Yamaha has been the hot ticket for easy resale for years. They cost quite a bit more upfront and aren't any better than a Suzuki (for example), but when selling a boat, buyers seem to seek out and want the Yamaha over the other brands.

There is something to be said for market recognition and how it drives resale down the road.

Yup, people confuse the two terms at times. But like I said sellability is worth something just not dollars per say. All depends I just sold my house for somewhere between 250 and 300 in a week, where as the house down the street that is all be it a little bit nicer and bigger has been on the market for 400k for over a year. My house was more sell-able doesnt mean its worth more.

brand recognition is huge and so is price point marketing. Companies market things at prices, because customers see value in expensive stuff and some see value in cheaper stuff, but often times quality between the two is no different.

 

[rScotty]

The price difference for the top brands is just a sunk cost, you get back more than that difference on any resale and the top brands are much easier to sell.

Cathy, that is so true that it is worth repeating, and repeating.

I've noticed that same thing in my life. What it amounts to is what we see the wealthy folk doing all the time. They know that buying top brands saves time or money and sometimes both.

Although I would add a couple of caveats.... It's not a lost cost; it is recoverable. With top of the line equipment you may not always get back "MORE than your cost difference, but it you generally get back the difference.
And although the top brands are much easier to sell - they sell themselves - it sometimes takes a while until the right buyer comes along. Still, that's not a problem for top equipment because there is never any doubt it will sell.
And it sure is nice when you run across the buyer a few years later and they say, "thank you".

Of course knowing this through experience doesn't stop me from sometimes taking the risk & buying an unknown. But I generally do that because they have included some feature that is valuable to me. It might be price, but that just isn't reason enough by itself. Just as Cathy originally pointed out.
rScotty

 

[paulfun9]

Cathy, that is so true that it is worth repeating, and repeating.

I've noticed that same thing in my life. What it amounts to is what we see the wealthy folk doing all the time. They know that buying top brands saves time or money and sometimes both.

Although I would add a couple of caveats.... It's not a lost cost; it is recoverable. With top of the line equipment you may not always get back "MORE than your cost difference, but it you generally get back the difference.
And although the top brands are much easier to sell - they sell themselves - it sometimes takes a while until the right buyer comes along. Still, that's not a problem for top equipment because there is never any doubt it will sell.
And it sure is nice when you run across the buyer a few years later and they say, "thank you".

Of course knowing this through experience doesn't stop me from sometimes taking the risk & buying an unknown. But I generally do that because they have included some feature that is valuable to me. It might be price, but that just isn't reason enough by itself. Just as Cathy originally pointed out.
rScotty

I’m gonna stop at the house down the road today and tell him Don’t worry that JD that you have been asking an unreasonable price for will eventually sell!
It’s been sitting there for sale for over 3 years and everyone I know that looked at it has purchased something else at a reasonable market price. But then again most around here don’t buy into the green thing and only compare prices of other machines for sale not other JD’s for sale.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I think you could debate this until you are blue (or green?) in the face. Until the newcomers have been around a while, and prove themselves, or don't, who knows. Just from experience, though, I know when a salesman utters the words "it's just as good as" or "made in the same plant as", my BS detector goes off.

I distinctly remember in the 90s when KUBOTA was the "OTHER" brand, and you would see used Kubota Tractors sitting on lots forever. I disliked them, but have had a complete change of opinion. Times change.

 

[rScotty]

I’m gonna stop at the house down the road today and tell him Don’t worry that JD that you have been asking an unreasonable price for will eventually sell!
It’s been sitting there for sale for over 3 years and everyone I know that looked at it has purchased something else at a reasonable market price. But then again most around here don’t buy into the green thing and only compare prices of other machines for sale not other JD’s for sale.

I hope you do stop by and ask & maybe post a picture. Sounds like there might be an interesting story there. That might be a record - not just for a JD but for any tractor.

 

[nards444]

I've noticed that same thing in my life. What it amounts to is what we see the wealthy folk doing all the time. They know that buying top brands saves time or money and sometimes both.

rScotty

Disagree here, rich people buy things because of status not because they last forever, trust me I ve worked for them. Ive seen them buy 500k boats and park them at their docks and not use them, just bought them to make sure they had a boat out front.

Quality usually cost more but price can be misinterpreted as quality. Your theory would be right if everything cost more was better, but we all know that is simply not true.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Actually, I like to watch Alux videos and it's surprising how often (Truly) RICH people don't buy the 4000 sq foot home, luxury cars, designer clothing or the latest phone. It's the people that don't have money, that want to appear Rich that do. So, guess who gets richer?