Will it Land

   / Will it Land #31  
ray66v said:
Guys! COME ON! You match the speed of the wind + enough speed to come down to the runway then you reduce power and you fly it down to the runway eventually matching the speed of the wild and touch down on the runway. You don't have to stall it, you don't have to land it nose high. You land it flat as a result of slowly flying down to the ground. Then you hold the controls exactly the way they were on the decent and as long as you have enough fuel you could sit there, (stationary), all day. NO BIG DEAL. How can you have trouble keeping your speed down with a 100 mph head wind! A head wind slows the plane down. A 100 mph head wind slows the plane down 100 mph. If it will fly at 50 mph, and you have a 100 mph head wind, you can be flying so slow your going backwards along the ground. If the wind is 100 mph and your air speed is 100 mph you are flying stationary (hovering). Fly the approach at 101 mph and your ground speed is 1 mph. Yes you CAN land any airplane FLAT and not harm it if you are a good pilot. Most students land flat half the time, (by accident).
Yes, you will have to leave the power at that final setting, or go backwards down the runway. Yes you are not going to be able to taxi anywhere but into the wind. The question was WILL IT LAND. The answer is YES, but, I guess I might be the only one here that should land into a strong headwind.
FYI: There are guys out there that actually have landed into gusting winds 1/2 that speed. I know one that did do it in a 150.

The problem is not that simple. You could approach as you described, but with enough power on to have 0 ground speed in a 100 MPH headwind(aircraft flying at 100 MPH airspeed), the aircraft nosewheel would touch first. As soon as the mains try and touch down, the increase in wing angle of attack as the fuselage pitches up, and the resultant increase in lift would cause the plane to lift off again(and slow down). And of course anyone who has had any training in a C-150, knows that you are beaten severely about the head and shoulders by the flight instructor for abusing the nose wheel with excessive nose down pitch attitude. It is the weak link in the landing gear and therfore it is always the first off and the last to touch down.

You don't have to lift the nose wheel off the ground in a C-150 to takeoff. Your takeoff run is long, and the wheel speed is high, but full power down the runway and eventually all 3 will come off together.

If the wing is not stalled it is what?... flying. If the wing is flying, the airplane is flying. You could touch down, but you couldn't stay down(land) on the gear:) with the given plane and circumstances.
 
   / Will it Land #32  
RonMar said:
the aircraft nosewheel would touch first.
The nose wheel does not have to touch first. And even if it did it would not have to be enough to make any real difference.
Picture this; you descend to a matter of inches above the runway. You reduce your power setting to near zero ground speed. This will make the landing a simple matter of milking it down until the wheels are on the ground. You could descend at 1" per minute, {you can't get any flatter than that}, if you wanted, (simple trim adjustment). You would touch down so softly you might not even realize that you have landed.
The reason you don't have to lift that nose to take off in a 150 is when the trim is set for take off it is slightly nose high. On the approach the plane simply could be trimmed the for landing eliminating the problem.
You do not have to stay down on the ground to make a landing. Have you ever heard of a touch and go? Each touch and go is a LANDING your log book.
I am not a beginner, I have been flying since 1976 and have hundreds of hours in each of the C150, C152, and C172. I specialize in helping students that can't learn to land. I fly a C150 3 to 4 hrs a week. I also hold records for shortest landings at out airport. Including a runway with tall trees on one end.
 
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   / Will it Land #33  
Runner said:
This is all totally theoretical, of course. You'd have to be Bob Hoover to be able to actually perform a maneuver like that, and once you "flew" the thing onto the ground, you couldn't actually stop or park it or anything. If you tried to actually stop or turn to taxi, the wind would just blow the aircraft away.

"Theoretical??" Refit the Cessna with a different wing, call it a "Helio-Courier" --used by us during the Vietnam conflict ...hover, land backward
 
   / Will it Land #34  
Maybe, but they didn't do it in 100mph winds. (I don't think??)

Thought about this some more, and maybe the way to make the thing stay "landed" would be that, once you get the tires on the ground and the groundspeed to zero, have a ground crew run out and attach the plane to the ground with cables. Then, theoretically, you could, shut it off, get out and leave it.
 
   / Will it Land #35  
Hey, I just noticed, that was post #150 for me. Coincidence??? You be the judge....
 
   / Will it Land #36  
The guy I know who landed a C150 in high winds was on a trip and had to land for fuel. The wind was down the runway, so he landed. The FBO had 2 extra guys come out and help hold the wings from rocking while they fueled it. He said even though the winds were high the air was smooth so he took back off and continued home with a record ground speed.
 
   / Will it Land #37  
Heres a twist, lets say you have a 100mph headwind and there was a underside to the conveyer, could the Cessna land upside down,
 
   / Will it Land #38  
I don't know that a high wing plane would be structurally sound or aerodynamically stable during inverted flight. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be something that is FAA approved for flying that way. Then again, I'm not a pilot so I could be 100% wrong.
 
   / Will it Land #40  
Standard C150 won't do inverted flight - need flop tubes in the fuel and oil systems and some other inverted mods. I assume the C150 aerobat would work.
 

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