Will it Land

[ray66v]

I Have a radio control flight simulator, (Real Flight), I use to practice on. These simulators are considered by experts as being very realistic. So far, I have not found anything, at least from an aerodynamic stand point, that will not fly dirty side up. Including the Wright flyer, Which I have found you can even land upside down. Those of you looking for a challenge should check it out.

 

[xlr82v2]

The nose wheel does not have to touch first. And even if it did it would not have to be enough to make any real difference.
Picture this; you descend to a matter of inches above the runway. You reduce your power setting to near zero ground speed. This will make the landing a simple matter of milking it down until the wheels are on the ground. You could descend at 1" per minute, {you can't get any flatter than that}, if you wanted, (simple trim adjustment). You would touch down so softly you might not even realize that you have landed.
The reason you don't have to lift that nose to take off in a 150 is when the trim is set for take off it is slightly nose high. On the approach the plane simply could be trimmed the for landing eliminating the problem.
You do not have to stay down on the ground to make a landing. Have you ever heard of a touch and go? Each touch and go is a LANDING your log book.
I am not a beginner, I have been flying since 1976 and have hundreds of hours in each of the C150, C152, and C172. I specialize in helping students that can't learn to land. I fly a C150 3 to 4 hrs a week. I also hold records for shortest landings at out airport. Including a runway with tall trees on one end.

Ray,

Your explanations and understanding are spot-on.

Everyone else, get back in the books until you UNDERSTAND how airplanes fly!!

From another pilot...in my logbook: C152, C172, C182, C750, PA28-150, PA 28-180, PA30, Lear 35, Lear 55, Lear 60, TB-9, KingAir B-100, currently flying the Lear 55 and Lear 60 for a living.

 

[ray66v]

Thank you Brian!, I am very surprised at how much difficulty I have had convincing some of these guys on this one. I'm glad to have the support.

 

[schmism]

there is always a flap orentation (and or angle of attack, which isnt very high on a cesna) that will cause the wing to loose lift. (the the case of the angle of attack, the air flow seperates from the wing)

when you loose lift, G (gravity or weight) > L (lift) means you fall down. = land

put another way, if there is no lift, it becomes an airplane shaped rock, how much horzontal wind does it take to keep a rock from falling to the ground?

 

[ray66v]

I assume you referring to the upside down question, I am sure it will fly upside down, at least temporarily, if you had an inverted fuel system, not to mention all the other systems, and were careful rolling the aircraft as to not over stress it. The flying characteristics would likely change and the stall speed would certainly increase. The airplane will fly much sooner than the rock, but, that rock will fly at some point.

 

[orezok]

In addition to my other ratings, I have a glider rating. Could you "land" a glider (remember they have speed brakes and spoilers).

 

[ray66v]

I flew a glider once, when the engine quit.

 

[orezok]

Everytime I get in a commercial 737, I always tell the pilot that if he looses one or both engines I can help out because I have both a single engine and glider rating. Never seem to get a positive response from that. Hmmm...

 

[ray66v]

See, the problem is you need a multi engine glider rating, with a turbine endorsement.

 

[Z-Michigan]

See, the problem is you need a multi engine glider rating, with a turbine endorsement.

LOL