windows 10

[Oaktree]

I disagree...most users that do not appreciate the state of the art Linux distributions are previous Windows users...and because Linux does not always work the same way Windows does they get frustrated...

If you took two entirely "new to PCs" users (never used a computer before) and gave one a Linux and another a Windows box...IMO the Linux user would learn how do do everything the Win user can...in less time and end up knowing a lot more how/why things work on a computer...

Sheesh, Linux doesn't always work the same way between different distributions/flavors, let alone the same as Windows.

A while back I installed Linux on an old computer just to see what it was like. It had some good qualities, but was not particularly "user friendly". I still have not been able to make it see a NAS on my network that every Windows machine can see just fine. Google did not get me anything useful that wasn't written in obtuse tech-ese and seemingly assuming you knew a lot more about Linux than I do. I'll fiddle around with it some more on some day when I'm really bored. As of now, my experiences tell me you get what you pay for with it.

As far as Windows 10 goes, I think I'll hold off...I don't see that it does anything Win 7 or XP don't do that I need/want to do. The fact that it appears to be a major piece of snoopware doesn't endear me to it one bit.

That's why I switched to an Apple MacMini and a MacBook Air. It's not personal, it's business.

But Mac isn't any better, it's just got a different set of strong points and annoyances. To say otherwise is like arguing that one brand of car/truck/tractor is better than another. If it suits your needs and you're comfortable with it then it's the "right" one.

 

[Wagtail]

For what it's worth I just received an email from the Australian Defence Force HQ (although I'm retired, I'm still 'in' the RAN Reserve) saying the following:

"All Staff RAN

All,

Good evening. Most of you who use PCs and Laptop regularly will be aware that Microsoft is releasing Windows 10. They are advertising that this will be a free download and update available from Microsoft for the next 12 months, after which they will be charging.

However, RAN, RANR and ANC staff are NOT to update Defence supplied ICT equipment to the new Windows platform. At this time Defence does not support Windows 10, with the current SOE using Windows 7. New updates to the existing SOE will be released in due course.

Regards,

Martin Blume
CMDR"

So, yeah, I'll wait a wee bit 'til I download... looks like I've got a year before I have to & there'll still be plenty of 'patches' to come during that time.

 

[/pine]

Sheesh, Linux doesn't always work the same way between different distributions/flavors, let alone the same as Windows.

A while back I installed Linux on an old computer just to see what it was like. It had some good qualities, but was not particularly "user friendly". I still have not been able to make it see a NAS on my network that every Windows machine can see just fine. Google did not get me anything useful that wasn't written in obtuse tech-ese and seemingly assuming you knew a lot more about Linux than I do. I'll fiddle around with it some more on some day when I'm really bored. As of now, my experiences tell me you get what you pay for with it.

As far as Windows 10 goes, I think I'll hold off...I don't see that it does anything Win 7 or XP don't do that I need/want to do. The fact that it appears to be a major piece of snoopware doesn't endear me to it one bit.



But Mac isn't any better, it's just got a different set of strong points and annoyances. To say otherwise is like arguing that one brand of car/truck/tractor is better than another. If it suits your needs and you're comfortable with it then it's the "right" one.

first off...I know this thread is about Win 10 and hope to add some missives when I upgrade a system...sorry for the O/T regards...

I think you make a valid point about distributions but only because it can be confusing that there are two entirely different graphic interfaces...i.e., KDE or GNOME...This is why the "live CD/DVD/USB versions" are so available...

As for the cost of Linux (free)..what you get is the product of some very talented, dedicated professional (and amateur) programmers that are constantly working on producing a better, more user friendly intuitive product that costs nothing and is not full of snooping spyware etc., etc...many of the professional programmers that contribute to the GNU LINUX distributions work for commercial entities...they just aren't getting paid for the work anyone can benefit from...

As for the NAS...did you try mounting the drive?...assuming it's a USB device it should be simple to mount...could the system see the network and just not the drive??

Google is not always the best resource for specific queries...sometimes it better to go to a dedicated site that caters to a particular distribution/kernel etc...

Again...sorry for the O/T posts...

 

[troutsqueezer]

Maybe I should care, but I really don't care if Microsoft knows what I'm doing, so I allow the feedback and haven't had your problem. And since my ISP (Charter) provides F Secure antivirus, I leave the other turned off.

I'm with you, if Microsoft can make money by using my personal info, more power to them. I make money all the time using their operating system. Money, it makes the world go around.

 

[wcampbell47]

Going back to my seventeen year career as an IT network administrator we never installed a new operating system when it was first released. There always seemed to be unintended consequences with how the new system interacted with the installed programs. We were a software development entity so the inner workings were always of concern. Computers now days are cheap. My approach would be to install Win 10 on a system you don't depend on in business everyday. If it is not broken, don't fix it. Microsoft is more or less trying to force me to Win 10 through the Windows Update system. The patch to install Win 10 can be uninstalled and the update can be "hidden" so that it does not keep coming up as an update ready to be installed. I am sticking with 7 as it is an OS I am familiar with and can use.

 

[Turbys_1700]

Going back to my seventeen year career as an IT network administrator we never installed a new operating system when it was first released. There always seemed to be unintended consequences with how the new system interacted with the installed programs. We were a software development entity so the inner workings were always of concern. Computers now days are cheap. My approach would be to install Win 10 on a system you don't depend on in business everyday. If it is not broken, don't fix it. Microsoft is more or less trying to force me to Win 10 through the Windows Update system. The patch to install Win 10 can be uninstalled and the update can be "hidden" so that it does not keep coming up as an update ready to be installed. I am sticking with 7 as it is an OS I am familiar with and can use.

I teach computer apps, security, and networking at the local community college. We take the same approach. We are currently running most of our systems on 7 and 8. We will make the change to 10 after a year. I am running 7 here at the house. My updates are free through the school.

 

[MikePA]

But Mac isn't any better, it's just got a different set of strong points and annoyances. To say otherwise is like arguing that one brand of car/truck/tractor is better than another. If it suits your needs and you're comfortable with it then it's the "right" one.

To keep this thread on topic, I will simply say there's nothing in your post I agree with.

For what it's worth I just received an email from the Australian Defence Force HQ (although I'm retired, I'm still 'in' the RAN Reserve) saying the following:

"All Staff RAN

All,

Good evening. Most of you who use PCs and Laptop regularly will be aware that Microsoft is releasing Windows 10. They are advertising that this will be a free download and update available from Microsoft for the next 12 months, after which they will be charging.

However, RAN, RANR and ANC staff are NOT to update Defence supplied ICT equipment to the new Windows platform. At this time Defence does not support Windows 10, with the current SOE using Windows 7. New updates to the existing SOE will be released in due course.

Regards,

Martin Blume
CMDR"

So, yeah, I'll wait a wee bit 'til I download... looks like I've got a year before I have to & there'll still be plenty of 'patches' to come during that time.

The information you received is probably the same notice that has been sent out for every new release of Windows. It is surprising people would even be able to update 'Defence supplied ICT equipment."

 

[davesl708]

Maybe I should care, but I really don't care if Microsoft knows what I'm doing, so I allow the feedback and haven't had your problem. And since my ISP (Charter) provides F Secure antivirus, I leave the other turned off.

I am not so inclined to give up my privacy. Too much of that going on with phones and even mail. I guess I am old school. Keep my business to myself.

 

[Bird]

I am not so inclined to give up my privacy. Too much of that going on with phones and even mail. I guess I am old school. Keep my business to myself.

That's OK with me, if that's what you want to do, but how much "privacy" do we have anyway?:laughing: You know last year the Texas Department of Public Safety started taking fingerprints when you renewed your drivers license. They had been taking just one thumb print, but started taking a complete set. That upset some people and they complained to their legislators, got the DPS director called on the carpet for doing that without legislative approval, and the DPS went back to one thumbprint.

Now obviously quite a number of people objected to having their fingerprints on file. I suppose maybe I'm in the minority because I don't understand why you would object to the state having your fingerprints if you're not a criminal, or intend to become one.:laughing: I was fingerprinted by the Dallas Post Office when I went to work there in 1959, then fingerprinted by the Dallas Police Department when I went to work there in 1964, and then fingerprinted by the Dallas Office of the FBI in 1986 before being accepted to the FBI National Academy, and fingerprinted again last year for a CHL. So what's the big deal?:confused3:

 

[Oaktree]

As for the NAS...did you try mounting the drive?...assuming it's a USB device it should be simple to mount...could the system see the network and just not the drive??

Google is not always the best resource for specific queries...sometimes it better to go to a dedicated site that caters to a particular distribution/kernel etc...

Not sure what you mean by mounting the drive. The drive is a network device, ie has a network name & IP address. I can get to the "outside world", and can even "see" local workgroups, it's just that there's nothing in them.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but any Linux boards I've lurked in don't seem very friendly to novices, and seem to be very condescending toward what they consider "stupid" questions. I can see why most people just don't want to hassle with it.

What's a thread if you can't go off-topic once in a while?