Wisdom on gun purchase please?

johnday · Jun 21, 2004

Mike; Oh, okay. I just thought that since I was replying to 2 different posts I would do it like that. Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

johnday · Jun 21, 2004

Ozarker, I guess we share the same prefernece after all. Thanks for your time in the service. You can have my beer too man!!
Oh, and sorry Mike, bad habits are hard to break ya know. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Yankee · Jun 21, 2004

"I've been accussed of sometimes being over agressive when it comes to personal defense for myself and my family. ... Thats why I prefer 8 rounds instead of the usual 5 in a shotgun. ... I can get off eight rounds rather quickly and accuratley, drop the empty mag, and have 7 more rounds to go."

I wouldn't want to be your lawyer! Empty a high-capacity magazine at someone, and, heaven help you, reload another one and start firing it too, and you'll get ripped to shreds on the stand in court - a short stop on your route to jail for homicide. That's one reason why defensive training (as opposed to other kinds of firearms training) is so important. You have to be able to defend not just the fact of lethal force based on the circumstances, but how it's applied. Given that you're likely to have little or no actual rational thinking going on at the time of an incident, the training is going to have to take over on its own. Given how the courts rule these days, it better look something like a double tap and an attempt to get away. Everything you just described can be spun into premediation.

Bill

Lazy · Jun 21, 2004

Hi

I like my snake charmer 410 ga. Single shot 26” long with a pistol grip and my 357 Ruger, both are easy to use and keep close by. We also have a rottweiler in the house for an alarm and first line of protection.
Make sure you have a loner handgun you can loan the dead intruder if he came in without one. Also make sure it was fired from his hand at least 2-3 times making sure the bullets strike a wall near where you were when you fired your weapon.
Then call 9.1.1 for backup.

Charlie

IrTxRx · Jun 21, 2004

I would prefer a shotgun if I didn't have kids (I can't find a digital/pushbutton wall safe for a shotgun). i have a .38 revolver with hydroshock rounds in a digitally opened safe by my bed. No jambed chamber to worry about.

I have never fired a weapon in fear or anger, my dad has. I really deliberated about this purchase and asked him his advice. he said only if you follow the rules:
Don't draw the weapon unless you are going to shoot.
Don't shoot the weapon unless you are going to shoot to kill.
Don't buy a gun unless you can live with yourself if you are forced to follow the first two rules.

johnday · Jun 21, 2004

Yankee; Yeah, it maybe tried to be proven like you say, my training is such that I wouldn't empty my mag, a double tap is what my training is also. I should have elaborated a bit more. I was just pointing out what good practice can do for you.
It seems any bad guys lawyer be it the DA or another "defense" attorney, would try to prove premed simply because you used a gun. It'a crazy world we live in nowadays that people like ourselves on this site are being accussed of being the bad guy for one reason or another, you just have to do what is right your own mind. That is why the decision to be able to do what we are speaking of is such an important decision. It seems that in a sense it really is premed.
Hey, let us still be friendly. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

MikePA · Jun 21, 2004

...would try to prove premed simply because you used a gun. 
Yankee did not say that simply using a gun would be grounds for premeditation. Here's what he said. The key phrase being 'Empty a high-capacity magazine at someone...'.

Yankee said: I wouldn't want to be your lawyer! Empty a high-capacity magazine at someone, and, heaven help you, reload another one and start firing it too, and you'll get ripped to shreds on the stand in court - a short stop on your route to jail for homicide.

RoyJackson · Jun 21, 2004

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Don't draw the weapon unless you are going to shoot.
Don't shoot the weapon unless you are going to shoot to kill.
Don't buy a gun unless you can live with yourself if you are forced to follow the first two rules. )

Good rules for concealed carry!

And don't forget...if you can retreat out of harm's way, that's what you must do.
That firearm is only if you cannot get away from the threat! And even if you must shoot...shoot to kill, but if wounding stops the aggressor, you've got to stop then.

Remember, the odds are even in a self defense situation, you'll probably still be charged with something, so don't make your lawyer's job tougher then it needs to be...

johnday · Jun 21, 2004

Yep; that's what he said and I agree. Practice, is what I'm trying to imply is why I myself can do that. It would NOT be good to dump 15+ rounds into an intruder.
Man, you guys are beating me up or what? Peace, love , dove guys. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif