Wonder drug?

[Mtsoxfan]

Not saying jrasband is wrong, just saying anyone can find anything online to support their beliefs. Gone are the days of reliable news/information etc.

 

[Jrasband]

Not saying jrasband is wrong, just saying anyone can find anything online to support their beliefs. Gone are the days of reliable news/information etc.

The problem is that most people have no idea how to figure out what's a good study and what's a corrupt study. The people who I referenced mostly understand what solid research is, and rely on it for their conclusions, which are often their life's work. Google is going to give you a bunch of BS.

 

[Cycledude]

You might want to have a blood test for sodium, they don’t normally test sodium level but I know two different people that fell and nearly died recently because of low sodium levels. Doctors told both patients that they don’t normally test for low sodium because it’s pretty rare but in those 2 cases low sodium was what caused the trouble. They have been prescribed sodium pills and continued testing.

 

[zzvyb6]

Who's ribs were they? Too much of the 'blue pill' ? Asking for a friend....

 

[Bocephous]

I mean I tend to agree that this idea of prescribe some med to "fix" the issue rather than figuring out a lifestyle change that might solve the problem is deeply flawed. I also agree that it was probably not the ribs in this case that caused his issue. But is that comment above your feelings or do you have information to back it up? I am not arguing with you, but I highly doubt "most commonly accepted medical advice... is flat out wrong" But I am sure there are some recommendations that are flawed for sure.

At 50 I have never taken any prescribed meds, and my goal is to stay off of them as long as I can by figuring out the root cause of the issue and making a lifestyle change that solves the issue rather than taking a med to hide the issue. Maybe that is a good idea for a thread.

Are the pharmaceutical companies interested in curing or treating? That answer should be evident by now if you've had your eyes open. How much about nutrition, actual good nutrition, do most doctors know? Almost nothing. Salt? Needed, or you die. Cholesterol? Needed to such a high degree your body will manufacture about 80% of what's in your body. Vitamin d, hard to get enough in food, that's why God designed us to manufacture it via sunlight. It is also directly linked to your natural immunity. Low d, gonna get sick. Saturated fat? Perfectly healthy in a body that is functioning as it should.

A good place to start is to listen to interviews with Callie and Cassie Means, and Mark Hyman. Tucker Carlson had a couple of good interviews not long ago that should be easy to find.

 

[Bocephous]

 

[ning]

My theory is that a lot of us who are on blood pressure meds really don't need them. "White coat syndrome", plus other factors, make blood pressure rise. Myself, I live here out here in a rural area where it is quiet and peaceful and my body gets used to it. When I have to drive to the city to see my doctor I can feel my blood pressure rising as soon as I get to city limits - the traffic and general chaos that I'm not at all used to. By the time I get to my doctor's office I'm all tensed up...and that's when they take my blood pressure. I think a lot of people are that way - going to a doctor is always stressful. Plus, I'm old. I can remember from my EMT training 40 years ago that blood pressure rises as a person gets older. So why are they trying to keep my blood pressure at 120/60, a good reading for someone 20 years old, when I'm 80 years old?

Common wisdom used to be that your bp goes up as you age... but it doesn't have to. It went up, because people were increasingly unhealthy as they aged. People whose health is maintained don't have significantly increasing bp as they age, it turns out, but if you have arteriosclerosis and too much sodium and this and that then guess what, your bp goes up. Don't have those, and your bp stays good.

Higher bp may be correlated with dementia, so you're not just risking your heart. Personally, I'd rather die from a heart attack than fade away with dementia, though a terrifying but brief crash may be better yet.

op: Could you be somewhat anemic? Red meat is definitely a good thing to have in the diet, in moderation of course. Everything, in moderation.

Also: were you only briefly dizzy, or dizzy for some time? Was the dizziness accompanied by "seeing stars" (a definite sign of low bp)? If not, how long did it last?

I occasionally am beset by BPPV (Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo - won't kill you unless you fall over and hit your head; it's often sudden; has to do with the position of the head; and it's vertigo) and I have to grab something solid or I'll fall off the Earth, or so it seems. Now that I know what it is, I can usually quell an attack fairly quickly, though I usually feel kinda carsick for the rest of the day anyways.

white coat syndrome: I once concerned my doctor with high-ish bp. This doctor had a really efficient practice, and I arrived on time and was immediately taken in to have vitals taken. I'd just driven my sports car over what's basically mountain race course with 3000 other cars on it... yeah my bp was elevated. They asked to see me again 2 weeks later... same. 2 more weeks.... same. 2 more weeks? well for once they were really busy and I had a chance to chill out and my bp was 20-30 points lower and they were like, "???" and I explained that they're just too efficient.

 

[ponytug]

Common wisdom used to be that your bp goes up as you age... but it doesn't have to. It went up, because people were increasingly unhealthy as they aged. People whose health is maintained don't have significantly increasing bp as they age, it turns out, but if you have arteriosclerosis and too much sodium and this and that then guess what, your bp goes up. Don't have those, and your bp stays good.

Higher bp may be correlated with dementia, so you're not just risking your heart. Personally, I'd rather die from a heart attack than fade away with dementia, though a terrifying but brief crash may be better yet.

op: Could you be somewhat anemic? Red meat is definitely a good thing to have in the diet, in moderation of course. Everything, in moderation.

Also: were you only briefly dizzy, or dizzy for some time? Was the dizziness accompanied by "seeing stars" (a definite sign of low bp)? If not, how long did it last?

I occasionally am beset by BPPV (Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo - won't kill you unless you fall over and hit your head; it's often sudden; has to do with the position of the head; and it's vertigo) and I have to grab something solid or I'll fall off the Earth, or so it seems. Now that I know what it is, I can usually quell an attack fairly quickly, though I usually feel kinda carsick for the rest of the day anyways.

white coat syndrome: I once concerned my doctor with high-ish bp. This doctor had a really efficient practice, and I arrived on time and was immediately taken in to have vitals taken. I'd just driven my sports car over what's basically mountain race course with 3000 other cars on it... yeah my bp was elevated. They asked to see me again 2 weeks later... same. 2 more weeks.... same. 2 more weeks? well for once they were really busy and I had a chance to chill out and my bp was 20-30 points lower and they were like, "???" and I explained that they're just too efficient.

The gold standard is to let the patient rest for ten minutes seated, not talking, with their left arm supported comfortably. The cuff is to be level with the patient's heart. I think that I have had that done exactly never.

Modern medical practices are too efficient to do this as far as I can tell. I have had to tell a few medical assistants over the years that the measurement has to be on the left arm. Not optional.

Most people test 20mm or so lower at home. How many of us are completely relaxed in a doctor's office?

All the best,

Peter

 

[deserteagle71]

The gold standard is to let the patient rest for ten minutes seated, not talking, with their left arm supported comfortably. The cuff is to be level with the patient's heart. I think that I have had that done exactly never.

Modern medical practices are too efficient to do this as far as I can tell. I have had to tell a few medical assistants over the years that the measurement has to be on the left arm. Not optional.

Most people test 20mm or so lower at home. How many of us are completely relaxed in a doctor's office?

All the best,

Peter

Same here! I was an EMT/Firefighter for years and how to get a proper blood pressure reading was always part of the training and refresher training. Now, I walk into the doctor's office and a young lady immediately slaps a cuff on my wrist that automatically takes a blood pressure reading. Doesn't matter which arm, or where the arm is positioned. Is the wrist reading going to be the same as one taken on the upper left arm? Who knows? When riding ambulance we had automatic blood pressure readers but we had to place the cuffs in the normal position on the upper arm. Even so, we were NOT to record those readings, machine readings were only to establish a trend. Official readings had to be taken with cuff and stethoscope.

 

[MossRoad]

The gold standard is to let the patient rest for ten minutes seated, not talking, with their left arm supported comfortably. The cuff is to be level with the patient's heart. I think that I have had that done exactly never.

Modern medical practices are too efficient to do this as far as I can tell. I have had to tell a few medical assistants over the years that the measurement has to be on the left arm. Not optional.

Most people test 20mm or so lower at home. How many of us are completely relaxed in a doctor's office?

All the best,

Peter

I'm pretty relaxed at the Dr.

Dentist, too. Sometimes dentist has to wake me up to keep my mouth open.

When I go for a Dr. appointment, while I'm sitting in the waiting room, and again while I'm sitting in the exam room waiting for the BP test, I breath in for 5 seconds and out for 10 for a few minutes. That calms everything down pretty well. I was taught that by my rifle instructor when I was a kid.