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Sigarms

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Any problems with staining a new pressure treated deck after 5 months instead of (what I've heard) standard 6 months? Will be out of the area most of the time next month and want to get his done and not leave my wife with it. I'm just worried if I wait until mid Nov to Dec, we get a lot of crappy rainy weather and won't get to it.

Thks!
 
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My only concern is if the wood has had a chance to dry out really well.
 
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My only concern is if the wood has had a chance to dry out really well.

Any way to tell?

Agreed, however, June and July were blistering months of heat here in N.C, and August hasn't been mild by any means. Starting to get a little cooler now in September which I figure may be perfect for drying out the stain on the deck if I put it down the next couple of weeks (not being to hot).

Fist time putting new stain on new wood.
 
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lay something like a rubber door mat on the deck during the day, after several hours lift it up and see it there is moisture. Anything more than a trace, and I would wait.

A transparent stain is safer, and a wiser choice, on fresh wood. I have been using Sherwin Williams Deckscapes Toner, (Cedar color), professionally. It is a tinted waterproofing sealer. 1 Easy, fast step. Customers are very happy with it.
 
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lay something like a rubber door mat on the deck during the day, after several hours lift it up and see it there is moisture. Anything more than a trace, and I would wait.

A transparent stain is safer, and a wiser choice, on fresh wood. I have been using Sherwin Williams Deckscapes Toner, (Cedar color), professionally. It is a tinted waterproofing sealer. 1 Easy, fast step. Customers are very happy with it.


Good Evenin Ray,
I think the transparent stain is a good choice for Joe for this year, next year if he wants he could do a semi transparent or solid color with no adverse effects !
 
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Hello Sigarms, Good advice from Ray and Scott. I agree. Out here where I live if you build a treated deck in the summer it will almost dry to fast, in that it will really "go south" and split. Good Luck with your project.
 
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Thanks guys.

Ray, I'll try your suggestion today.

Keep in mind, I only replaced two levels of deck behind the house, but left a lower third level alone because the wood didn't need to be replaced.

Three years ago I used Behr premium wood toned weatherpoofing wood sealer finish (penetrating oil formula) easy water clean up #510 natural cedar, which I'd like to stay as close as possible to that original stain that I had used before.

However, my plan was to sand the older lower deck and restain the area that I didn't need to be replaced with new wood.

I was asked if I was going to use two coats of stain instead of one. Is there a diffrence between one or two coats of this type of stain? Reason I ask is when I did the entire deck some time ago, I only used one coat and it held up pretty well other than the fact that I'm gong to sand and redo.

Or instead of sanding (I was going to rent a commercial sander) would I be better off using a stripper chemical of some sort?

Thanks!
 
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Sherwin Williams has a stripper that will remove 98%, or more, of the old finish the old finish. I would not start with sanding. But, sometimes I have to do some "spot" sanding after stripping.

The stripper is fairly easy to use, and it can be time consuming, and expensive on decks that have a lot of material, particularly ones with solid stain, and or paint.

I put up plastic where I don't want stripper to go, and spray it on with a pump garden sprayer. Wear rubber gloves and eye protection. This stripper is not like aircraft stripper, (it won't eat up alive), but it will get under you finger nails and burn after several hours of using it.

Apply a heavy wet coat on all surfaces and let sit. Ideally, you do this on a day where it is not hot and sunny. The stripper needs to stay wet, reapply as necessary. After a while, (hour or so?), you can use a long handled deck brush to scrub stubborn areas.

If your deck only has a thin film build up, that should do it. Then, you rinse with a garden hose. I use a pressure washer with a rotating nozzle, (it is much faster). If you have never used a pressure washer on wood, understand that you can fubar your deck with one, if your not very careful. A good distance must ALWAYS be maintained between the nozzle and the wood to prevent damage. With a rotating nozzle, always point the nozzle away when pulling the trigger, then move it toward the deck. If you don't have a rotating nozzle, use your widest fan nozzle. NEVER use a narrow, or pinpoint nozzle. You will raise some grain using a pressure washer, if you deck is not in good shape, or you get too close. Slight grain raising is not a problem. Fuzzy wood is a problem. But, you can sand it back into shape if you need to.

On a deck with a lot of film, the stripping process can take all day, or more. :(

After stripping, you can apply a "brightener," SW's is called Revive. This will lighten the dark, water blackened, boards and remove any black mold. This product works fast, almost before your eyes. Apply to wet deck wait a few minutes and rinse.

After the wood dries, (1-2 days), sand as necessary to remove stubborn areas, or smooth grain. Avoid sanding fasteners.

Applying an oil based toner: After the deck is completely dry, spray on wet, with a pump sprayer, allow 5 10 minutes to saturate. After finishing an area, use rags to sop up any puddles. Puddles that are allowed to dry, will not harden properly. Second coat is optional, After the first coat is mostly dry or more. I usually do a second coat. The second coat will take less material, Make sure you wipe up the puddles again, when finished.

You could probably get away with a water based product on newer wood, I always use oil based toner.
 
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I got tired of having to re-stain my deck every year so I tried a higher end product by Sikkens and I now can go several years between coats. They are also one of the top recommended brands for durable coatings on wood and log homes. Here is a link:

Sikkens: Simply Beautiful Woodcare Products For Your Wood Home

Good Luck!
 
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Looked at Sikkens today, thank you for the info.

I just need to get over the $2100 price for 30 gallons that may be needed for two coats for just the area in question.
 
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Ouch!! $2,100 hurts. For 30 gallons that = $70 per gallon. I guess it depends on the cost of your alternatives and how much time you want to spend staining every year or so. When I used cheapo $20 stain years ago I had to re-stain every year and with the Sikkens several years is common for most people. Alot depends on severity of climate, which side of your house gets exposed to the most weather, etc...
 
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I painted cars for many years, and used Sikkens paint many times. while it is good, I could never justify the roughly 2.5 times additional cost to use it. Even on my own car.

Using toner/sealers, rather than stain, will give good lasting results. The cost is reasonable, (around $25/gal). And it is so easy to reapply. Start to finish, you can do a large deck, [450 sq ft], with about 5 gal, in about 2 hrs. Doing it annually, if you need to, or desire, is no big deal.

I have several decks that are over a year now, since the initial application, and they are all fine. Longevity, mostly depends on how tight the wood is. if your wood is beat, it is going to require more frequent application.
 
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Sig,
Another good indicator of your new deck's dryness is the amount of separation in the deck-boards. Of course, when the wet boards dried, they shrunk. More than likely you butted them up tightly when you laid it, do you have a good 1/3" separation throughout the entire deck? If none of it's shaded more than the other parts, it's usually a great indicator that the deck is ready for a protectant.

I'm not a professional carpenter or deck builder, but I recently added another 15x30' to my existing deck. I have been waiting to stain it, I called a deck building company and asked their advice. The above is what he told me.

Podunk
 
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I'm pretty sure looking at the deck, after close to 6 months (and with the hot weather) the wood is dry enough to stain.

Anyone familiar with this product?

Bond Distributing - One TIME WOOD

Ended up at a local building supply store and the guy seemed informed. He said he didn't know anything about "one time" from personal use, but mentioned that some people that have come in to get it doing nothing but rave about it and haven't had any problems. Nice thing there is it only takes one coat.

Darn if you do, darn if you don't:D
 
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Sig,
Do you have a local company in your area that stocks it, or are you going to order it online?
 
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Sig,
Do you have a local company in your area that stocks it, or are you going to order it online?

Local company that stocks it down the road from my office.

This is the same company where the guy said he hasn't used any personally, but he says people that come in and buy it (local contractors) rave about it.
 
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Anytime you want to stain or paint PT wood, just do a quick test first.
Pour small drops of water on the wood, if the water beads up, it is too wet to stain. If the water soaks in, it is OK to stain.
 
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Looked at Sikkens today, thank you for the info.

I just need to get over the $2100 price for 30 gallons that may be needed for two coats for just the area in question.

How big is this deck you are sealing? Although when I stained our place we used the Sikkens 1-2-3 and we used around 40 gallons at $42.00 a gallon. They did give me a discount because we were buying so much. (I bought 10 gallons the first go around and then went back for 30 more.

Last year I went back to buy the same stuff, no longer make it, but the new formula only requires one or two steps / coats but the price was up to around $55.00 a gallon.
 
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Last year I went back to buy the same stuff, no longer make it, but the new formula only requires one or two steps / coats but the price was up to around $55.00 a gallon.

I was told two coats were a must with the Sikkens DEK.

Perhaps I need to look harder, I was quoted over $70 a gallon and if I went to the 5 gallon I saved a whopping $1 per gallon.
 

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