Would You Accept This As New

[AxleHub]

Just from my years of negotiating things I would have my opening statement to the guy, and before you looked at the tractor to be something like "I'm glad I have the option to decline if it's not up to snuff. This issue has had me very concerned".

It sets the stage in case you don't like it and gets his mind in the right direction in case you say no. Every dealer has been down this path before so they know the drill and he probably knew you would be concerned the moment that tractor rolled in. He won't let on because he wants you to want it and make his life easier. He knows he screwed up but that's just my opinion.

My free advice is, if it's not EXACTLY what you wanted and expected, don't take it. Act in haste, repent in leisure comes to mind.

Greetings sixdogs,

Your vuewpoints seem to mirror much of my negotisting thinking as well. I use a principle of "give and go". Sometimes a person needs to "give to get" and sometimes a person has to "go elsewhere to get".

I enjoy bargaining but I never do "tire kicking". I also believe there isn't a business alive that you have to take their price. I think "tire kickers" and weak sales people ruin the pricing and bargaining atmosphere for others.

 

[ultrarunner]

I grew up around the car business and have seen first hand since a small child... you would be surprised at how many tire kickers become buyers...

Offer, Acceptance, Consideration all based on a Meeting of the Minds.

As such... it doesn't bother me if someone wants to shoot a low offer... simply say thank you, maybe take their information and move on...

I've bought houses for 30 cents on the dollar... went to look and it was in bad shape... Real Estate Lady was very professional and I said it's too rough and I don't want to waste anyone's time...

A few days later I see her at her office and she said at what price would I be a buyer... and isn't this what it really comes down to?

Asking price on the MLS was 35k for a run down cottage... we talk and I say it wouldn't be worth more than 11 to 12k to me... before I realized she has an offer written up for $11,500... that evening she congratulates me on my new home!

Tractors, Cars and just about every other durable good revolves around reaching an agreement... and clearly, for whatever reason the item presented did not meet the buyers expectations...

 

[LLS]

I plowed snow for 7 years with my B2320, hauled it 5 miles into town then drove it around town and plowed my accounts. It was constantly covered in salt and I never had any mechanical or electrical problems with it. It did have rust in several places on the fenders and floor boards. I did have one flasher that quick this winter and it was because the plug for the ground was corroded.

 

[AxleHub]

I grew up around the car business and have seen first hand since a small child... you would be surprised at how many tire kickers become buyers...

Offer, Acceptance, Consideration all based on a Meeting of the Minds.

As such... it doesn't bother me if someone wants to shoot a low offer... simply say thank you, maybe take their information and move on...

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Tractors, Cars and just about every other durable good revolves around reaching an agreement... and clearly, for whatever reason the item presented did not meet the buyers expectations...

Ultrarunner,

I'm guessing we have different definitions of what a "tire kicker" is.

I was quite well aquainted with numerous individuals I define as "tire kickers".

The methods they used weren't about low ball bids . . . but rather an immediate and constant effort to belittle and degrade the item for sale. The idea wasn't to come to an acquitable price . . but to undercut any perception of value. Tire kicking is not about recognizing value . . but an effort to find sellers who are ripe for manipulation. They prey on people . . not negotiate.

They try to "wear sellers out". That isn't what you are describing in yourself.

 

[ultrarunner]

I was thinking of the guys killing a Saturday afternoon or driving by after work... either way it was another potential sale walking on the lot...

Took years to sell one guy... he would come by just about every Saturday... when my Grandfather said you will never guess who bought a car today I couldn't believe it.

A lot of the sales is developing a rapport... some will more than push the limits... still remember a customer that came in Christmas Eve as we were closing... he got in a huff, said he doesn't celebrate Christmas... Dad politely said Mom is waiting for us and when Mom's not happy no one is happy... Over the years we sold him and his family quite a few cars after that.

Try not to make it personal and before push comes to shove... simply bow out gracefully.

Refusing business is a powerful statement no matter how nicely it is refused...

 

[Coyote machine]

Wow. If I have this right the OP has bought 6 tractors, a few if not all from the 'selling dealer' 5 minutes from his place. He knows the salesman personally, and states that the guy down the road has a better reputation and better pricing.
The OP gets tied up in a deal that involves a 3rd party, who will end up buying his old tractor trade in, thus saving him money on the new tractor being shipped over to NS by truck, which he is to pay the shipping on.
Tractor arrives, NOT directly to the OP's home, but the dealer's lot and BEFORE PDI the OP & his girlfriend decided the condition was not satisfactory. Etc., etc.

There is NO contract law violation or any other recourse by the buyer other than to complete or not complete the purchase.
So the tractor was shipped in the usual and customary manner in which fully assembled tractors are everyday, everywhere - Trucking company, open truck. Damage if any, is between the OP's dealer and the shipper, depending on who actually contracted with the shipping co.

A salt spray bath while moving from Quebec to NS is less than ideal, BUT it is the customary and usual means, therefore it is acceptable practice UNLESS someone makes special arrangements to ship wrapped, tarped, etc.

Salt spray can do damage IF it enters open ended wire terminations, like plastic click together connectors.
Tractors are often shipped in crates from overseas. Places like Japan, S. Korea, etc. If the tractor is made in a plant close to the ocean it gets exposed to salt air, as it does when traveling on a ship, whether in a container or not. Salt wreaks havoc, period.

When one orders a tractor from a far away dealer in winter in the northeast, whether in New England or Canada, how the tractor gets to its final delivery destination could be problematic, but it doesn't have to be.
I suggest contacting the not as close dealer and ask him if he'd like your future business with this new tractor and future sales. If he is interested, then complete the sale, spray all electrical connectors with electrical contact cleaner, then seal both ends of each with dielectric grease and any other areas where rust might manifest with Fluid Film, and put this issue to rest.

 

[dodge man]

I've seen a few of these posts over the years. I remember one person, Waxman if my memory serves me, that had is rims scratched up when he had some tires put on. You will get a lot of "its just a tractor" answers and a lot of "its brand new, it should look new" answers. I'm kind of picky up some of my stuff, my vehicles more so, but I'm kind of in the its just a tractor mind set. I don't wash my BX very often and its starting to look a little rough but still functions great. I'd say you are the only one who can decide if the delivered condition meets your approval. I'd say if it looks real bad and you will always feel bad about it, deal or no deal, don't accept it. I'm the kind of person who would probably ask for a free oil change or something instead.

 

[Farmall45b]

For what it is worth, many of the Kubota tractors are delivered disassembled in crates. When my new B2650 was delivered this past February, my dealer refused to deliver it for a few days as it had just snowed and he wanted to wait until the roads were dry. I was anxious to get the tractor, but it was probably a good idea on his part as I was really impressed to have a bright shiny new tractor delivered to me. That being said, my B2320 that I traded in spends the entire winter covered in salt from my plowing jobs. I give it a good wash spring and fall and completely spray the entire tractor with fluid film every fall. The B2320 did develop some rust over the years (2008 model) but none of the rust or corrosion caused any operational issues with the tractor. That being said, I am the one that put the salt and rust on the tractor and it was not delivered to me in less than new condition. I would wait and see what the tractor looks like after your dealer has a chance to perform PDI and clean the machine.

 

[ultrarunner]

Hey Bob... just noticed you are located in White Bear Lake... I've never been there but do know the town planner Sam...

Always planned to visit if I'm ever up that way and have been told winter can be bruttle...

 

[kcender]

Just went to the dealership,after hours,to see if the tractor is cleaned up.It appears they did clean it and touch up some paint.I don't know exactly what was done as I haven't been talking to the salesman.I really can't decide if I want it or not.If it was the first time I had ever seen it,I would buy it.But knowing what it has been through changes the way I look at it.I do know putting a little paint over rust is not a permanent,proper repair.As I previously stated,if I was only buying it to make money with it ,it would be fine.I realize I am being very fussy but that is how I am.This experience has certainly changed my perception of what a new tractor should be.Maybe I should be looking for something used,at least then I will be expecting rust and weathering.I did just call about a used John Deere 110 TLB which is similar to the L45.Something to think about.