Would you donate?

[D&D]

Just curious …. If it was a mosque that got flooded, would your decision to donate change?

Why or why not?

Seems like this thread mainly relates to who supports the religion.

I took the question as it relates to using the same location, not the religious sect

 

[2manyrocks]

Based on the damage to the tree line in the aftermath photo, I don't think 8' piers are going to get a new building elevated above the flood area. Plus, the trees and boulders that washed downstream in some areas knocked out well built bridge foundations.

 

[newbury]

If they rebuild there they need to elevate and build a good foundation.

500 year flood? 100 year flood? I’m a land surveyor and live within an hour of the Mississippi River. After various flood events I ran elevations all over the place, mainly for people that were getting money to elevate their homes. There have been at least 2 and maybe 3 events that were 100 year floods in a period of about 25 years.

Those flood events are all theoretical and after a major event they realize they aren’t something you can really count on.

A MAJOR problem is the change in the ability of watersheds to absorb a rainfall. with the increase in paved areas and the filling in of swamps a heavy rainfall event is multiplied.
It seems like 100 year floods are happening more often.
"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot".

 

[EddieWalker]

As a contractor, I've worked for a few churches in my area. All different. I think the people there are fantastic, both the ones that attend, and the ones running the church.

But I've also learned that nobody spends money wisely at a church. It's all based on a committee that is comprised of people with different emotions and feelings. A wall can be rotting away, but they will hire me to swap out working light fixtures for something more modern, or pretty. In my opinion, the ones I've dealt with, all behave like they are spending "free" money.

As far as building a new church where the old one was destroyed by the river, I would be surprised that a bank will loan them money to do this, or the County will allow it to happen. If neither are involved, and the church has enough cash on hand to do this, I just consider it future job security for Contractors in the area.

 

[EddieWalker]

Based on the damage to the tree line in the aftermath photo, I don't think 8' piers are going to get a new building elevated above the flood area. Plus, the trees and boulders that washed downstream in some areas knocked out well built bridge foundations.

From what I understand, this is exactly what happened in Houston when they had their bad flood. Subdivisions replaced fields without any way to move the water when it rained really hard.

When the worse storm since the 1950's happened, they blamed Global Warming and refused to consider that there wasn't any flooding when it happened in the 1950s. Or why it's Global Warming now, but it was Mother Nature 70 years ago.

At my place, my survey shows where the 100 year flood levels are at. I don't have any Code where I'm at, so I can build there if I have the cash, but no bank will loan to build in that area. In the last 20 years, the creek has exceeded the 100 year flood level twice!!!

 

[D&D]

But I've also learned that nobody spends money wisely at a church. It's all based on a committee that is comprised of people with different emotions and feelings. A wall can be rotting away, but they will hire me to swap out working light fixtures for something more modern, or pretty. In my opinion, the ones I've dealt with, all behave like they are spending "free" money.

That’s been my experience with churches, volunteer fire depts and a couple of clubs that I belong to.

 

[MossRoad]

The reasoning to build in the same spot is apparently it was a "500 year flood".

It also gets interesting because apparently some people in Tennessee believe that contrails of planes are being used to control the weather, and apparently the government caused the flooding in Eastern Tennessee because there is lithium in mountains and they (I guess the government) is apparently trying to get their hands on it.

Apparently contrails are so bad that the governor of Tennessee has outlawed them over the state...

Panel reopening to hear Lee's Tennessee farmland preservation bill

The Senate Energy, Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee is reopening to take up Gov. Bill Lee’s bill to preserve Tennessee farmland.

pro.stateaffairs.com

It was kind of interesting when I was there the other week and people were pointing out that you can see contrails pretty much all the time. I didn't want to ask why if it is now a law that they can't be over Tennessee why we saw a couple.

Apparently some in NC feel the same way...

Fact check: Is government seizing North Carolina lithium after Helene?

Some social media users said people engineered the hurricane to clear land in North Carolina to mine lithium, a metal used to power batteries for electric vehicles, smartphones and laptop computers.

www.wral.com

Oh boy......

Another 500 year flood can happen tomorrow. All it means is there's a .2% chance (1 in 500) that it can happen in ANY GIVEN YEAR!


Each flood is a one time event. It doesn't mean if you have one, there isn't gonna be another one for 500 years.


A good analogy to me is that even though the odds of winning the lottery are very high, some folks have hit it twice.


I don't know how that system of flood rating came about, but I wish they'd do away with it.

If you want to donate to their rebuild fund, tell em up front, you won't donate if they rebuild anywhere near the creek.

 

[drssg]

I didn't see an answer to whether they had flood insurance and whether it's feasible for them to get it for that location. I'm guessing not, on both accounts.

I also didn't see an indication as to whether they have a feasible option to build in another location. They would have to buy or lease that property, and that expense would have to be weighed against the possible expense of another flood.

 

[scootr]

I could not support such foolish spending. The definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting a different result.
Like building in a creek bed and not expecting to be flooded. The new church would have to be in a different location.

 

[Oaktree]

As far as building a new church where the old one was destroyed by the river, I would be surprised that a bank will loan them money to do this, or the County will allow it to happen.

And lotsa luck getting insurance on it.
The town I live in has no building permits or anything like that (other than septic, which is a state requirement). More than once someone has bought property a mile or more down a Class VI road thinking of building there only to find out no one will insure the property once it's built.