x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS

   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #41  
Thanks again for all the responses. I do have a new question - i heard the all wheel drive on the 749 spins the wheels slower on tight turns to prevent gouging the grass. Does anyone know if the 748 has this too?

The 748 is mechanical FWD and will tear up the grass in 4WD. I know this from experience. It will also squeal the tires on pavement if I forget to put it in 2WD.

The 749 uses hydraulic motors for the 4WD and is much easier on grass. The 23xx series uses mechanical 4WD. If you avoid tight turns the mechanical is not too bad.
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #42  
The 2320 is a very stable machine on hills. It would rival any of the 700 series on hillsides, provided the tires were loaded. The 748 does not have the skid feature as it has a lockable planetary system, thusly is not prone to grass gouging. In my tractoring career I have owned a 445,485,595 (the predecessor to the 748), 4310, 3720, 4520, 3720 and 2320. In all honestly, for what I do 90% of the time, the 2320 is my favorite. It is a little mule and is so manuverable that it will easily out-work a larger tractor in tight areas. It also can mow as well as a garden tractor. For my money I would go that direction. If you are going with a 700 series I can attest that both the 748 and 749 will cling to hills and go up and down things an operator should not attempt, so the rate-limiting step would be you, not the machine.

John M
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #43  
One more thing, regarding the ZTR option. The 700 series, especially the highly manuverable 749 will cut very close to the speed of an equivalent JD ZTR. I know as I have had and used both. Yes, the ZTR is faster but not by that much and in my opinion not by enough to lose so much versatility. The rougher the terrain, the closer the times. For highly finished yards I have found the standard JD deck to be a better cutting deck than the 7-iron. Unless one mows commercially or is mowing an unfinished large acreage plot, it is not worth the money to go with the 7-iron.

John M
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #44  
The 748 does not have the skid feature as it has a lockable planetary system, thusly is not prone to grass gouging.
John M

Not sure what you mean here. My 748 is easy on the grass in 2WD. In 4WD and a real tight turn it will rip the grass right down to dirt.
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS
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#45  
John M - Seems you have a lot of practical experience with the JD line!

I sat on the 2320 and it really did seem like it had a decently low center of gravity. I think the 2520 has bigger tires that would raise this, and since 95% i'd be just mowing anyway, i'm sure the 2320 power is sufficient.

When i read posts about the 2320, i thought i read many folks being frustrated with the rear implements rubbing against the tires. Is this valid? I also read that the high gear is too high, and low is too low. Sounds like i'd never need high, but is going up a steep hill in low going to be a pain (very slow) with the gearing vs. x700?

You also mentioned having the tires loaded. Does this mean with ballast box? Or those wheel weights that seem to bolt right on the wheels and cost a fortune?

I also didn't understand when you said the "rate limiting step" would be me. What do you mean by rate limiting? Thanks again.
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #46  
The new x748 has the hydraulic front wheel drive, just like the x749. I believe this change was for the 2009 model year. Check Deere's website.
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #47  
The new x748 has the hydraulic front wheel drive, just like the x749. I believe this change was for the 2009 model year. Check Deere's website.

Now that you mentioned that I believe your right. I seem to recall my dealer telling me that too.
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #48  
Kevin -

Having owned a 2320, I can tell you the only real complaint I had with the machine was the gearing. Yes, low seems too low at times - and when in high on a slope, the hydraulic whine is loud. But, the tractor always pulled through, even when plowing deep snow with a custom built 84" blade. I never recall complaining about the low being too low for a steep slope - only concerned me with the whine it exhibited in high. And in every other regard, the build quality and strength of components is remarkable.

Loaded tires means that there's a liquid filling the inside of the tire itself so there's maximum weight as low as possible. It compromises the ride substantially, comfort-wise. Add R4s to the mix and long periods over rough terrain can be uncomfortable. But, it's a dedicated install - meaning, if you have wheel weights, you can remove them for a season such as mowing and reinstall for winter plowing. My guess is, if you go with any of the machines you've been looking at, 200 lbs isn't going to make a bit of difference in terms of sinking into your lawn. I think removable wheel weights would be much more noticeable on your 318.

I now have a 2305 for a variety of reasons, including $$. The 54" mower deck on the 2320 is every bit of $2400 + tax if you buy it at a later date - add a few hundred for the 62" - the dealer doesn't seem to budge much on the retail prices of attachments. For that kind of money, many suggest a second tractor instead.

I cannot afford to justify a $13,000 loader, so a versatile machine - that does the tasks you're trying to accomplish - seems to offer the most value. I simply don't use rear implements that require fine adjustment, which was another benefit of the 2320 (position control). Tilling or brush hogging with a 2305 is perfectly appropriate with the 3-pt hitch adjustment it has, in my opinion. I'd adjust that opinion if you were looking to finely grade a large area with a rear blade. Also, the only consistent complaint I've ever read about the limitations of a 2305 come from users of post-hole diggers, as there's limited lift height. But I suspect they'd have to admit that they're not putting in new fences every day - if they were, they'd have a dedicated machine.

If you have a few minutes, take a look at the 2305. It's the same engine as the 2320, similar build quality, more appropriate gearing (due largely to the smaller tires, I expect), offers more ground clearance than the x700 series, way, way better resale, lower center of gravity and a similar tread width/wheel track as the 2320. Just be aware that the ROPS is fixed from the factory.

The lure of a "real" tractor like the 2320 is undeniable. But, in reality, the addition of larger tires and position control (and yes, capacity) was not necessary for my new property and I'm very happy with the switch to a 2305.

Enjoy the shopping!
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #49  
John M - Seems you have a lot of practical experience with the JD line!

I sat on the 2320 and it really did seem like it had a decently low center of gravity. I think the 2520 has bigger tires that would raise this, and since 95% i'd be just mowing anyway, i'm sure the 2320 power is sufficient.

When i read posts about the 2320, i thought i read many folks being frustrated with the rear implements rubbing against the tires. Is this valid? I also read that the high gear is too high, and low is too low. Sounds like i'd never need high, but is going up a steep hill in low going to be a pain (very slow) with the gearing vs. x700?

You also mentioned having the tires loaded. Does this mean with ballast box? Or those wheel weights that seem to bolt right on the wheels and cost a fortune?

I also didn't understand when you said the "rate limiting step" would be me. What do you mean by rate limiting? Thanks again.
You guys do realize that 3 types kinds of tractors are being discussed / compared with each other in this thread don't you ?
 
   / x748 or x749 - 7-iron or AWS #50  
Kevin -
*If you have a few minutes, take a look at the 2305. It's the same engine as the 2320, similar build quality, more appropriate gearing (due largely to the smaller tires, I expect), offers more ground clearance than the x700 series, way, way better resale, lower center of gravity and a similar tread width/wheel track as the 2320. Just be aware that the ROPS is fixed from the factory.

The lure of a "real" tractor like the 2320 is undeniable. But, in reality, the addition of larger tires and position control (and yes, capacity) was not necessary for my new property and I'm very happy with the switch to a 2305.

Enjoy the shopping!
*The 2305 comes a lot closer to being worth the money than A x700 series does.
 

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