yanmar 186d rototiller / blecavator compatability

[fxdp]

hi all i have a question was wondering if someone can help, i found this great yanmar tractor and i was wondering if it would team up well with a blecavator bv130 tiller - stone burier atachment- http://www.thelawnmowerman.ie/PDFS/blecavator.pdf now the hp recomended is 20-30 hp and the unit weighs in at 870 lbs - if this combo would work ? it would make me very happy ! but im just not sure if i would be making a big mistake? as its no small some of money for me to spend, im sure you guys understand my situation, as a foot note i have found some conflicting specs on the 3 point lift cap. so any help would be much appreciated

 

[winston1]

Here is an original brochure shared by Rscotty. According to it the lift won't handle it. Yahoo! Groups Personally, I think you would be running short on horse power too.

 

[fxdp]

thanks for the reply but im having trouble reading the 3 point lift spec - that blecavator bv130 is aprox 4 foot long and weighs in at 870 lbs - dont think it could lift it huh ?

 

[Scotty Dive]

Here is another link for the 186D brochure from International 284...looks like lifting capacity is 661 lbs:

YM186D Photos by International284 | Photobucket

 

[fxdp]

so given that the blecavator is 4 ft long - and the 3 point ataches aprox in the center of the attachment- the 186d is about 200lbs short in lift capacity ? would that be correct ? i dont dispute just trying to understand thanks

 

[winston1]

Assuming you clicked on the spec page, that will enlarge it some. It states 661 lbs at lower link hitch point and 529 lbs 24" behind. I wouldn't say it wouldn't lift it but I would say I don't think you would be happy with the performance you would be able to get with it. Just my 2 cents. I would say you would be closer to 300lbs under.

 

[fxdp]

so it sounds like even if it could lift it up it might not have the hp to drive it -- as winston thought -am i correct ? also assuming i found a tractor this size and weight (kubota b) with more capacity would i need alot of front balllast to lift that bad boy ? thanks for all your help !

 

[California]

hp recommended is 20-30 hp and the unit weighs in at 870 lbs - if this combo would work ?

No, it won't work.

You don't have the hp or the lifting capacity.

My YM186D struggles with a Yanmar tiller that was intended for a YM2000. That tiller expects 20 hp, while the YM186D has 15 pto hp output. This combination stalls whenever it unexpectedly digs full depth.

These are great LITTLE tractors. They won't drive an implement rated to need more horsepower.

And as Winston said, YM186D is far short of the lifting capacity that implement requires.

 

[fxdp]

ok thanks yea the d186 is a no go with the bv130 thanks for your help -
when the hp specs for an attachment are typicaly given is that engine hp ? or pto hp ?
the other question i have is if i find a tractor with stronger hp and 3 point lift but same dimentions will the front end be to light even with ballast ?

 

[Scotty Dive]

There are two types of Yanmar model numbers (for argument sake here) the YMXXX (3 digits) are domestic models and made for the US market. They list HP at the engine. The YMXXXX (4 digits) were made for the Japanese markets and were later shipped to the US. The HP ratings are at the PTO. So for example, my YM2020D is Japanese marketed tractor rated at 20 HP at the PTO and roughly (20hp X 1.2) 24HP at the engine. The YM186D would be 18 hp at the engine at ~15 HP at the PTO.

 

[winston1]

Recommended horsepower given for a turning implement is pto horsepower in most cases. I think the safe way would be to contact the manufacturer if their specs are not plain.

I do believe that pulled, not pto powered implements are rated at engine or pulling horsepower.

 

[fxdp]

ok thanks for the help !
my next question is in your experiance would a tractor the same size and weight but more hp and 3 point lift be ok with a blecavator bv130 tiller (being 870 lbs and 4 ft long) or would i see nothing but sky even with front ballast ?

 

[winston1]

ok thanks for the help !
my next question is in your experiance would a tractor the same size and weight but more hp and 3 point lift be ok with a blecavator bv130 tiller (being 870 lbs and 4 ft long) or would i see nothing but sky even with front ballast ?

I think this is a trick question. However, I would think to get a tractor with the lift and pto horsepower required you would end up with a heavier and larger tractor.

 

[fxdp]

I think this is a trick question. However, I would think to get a tractor with the lift and pto horsepower required you would end up with a heavier and larger tractor.

the more modern tractors have much more hp and lift capacity in a similar size tractor so i know it sounds trick but its based on the reality of the more modern design

 

[California]

I'll never spend the money for a new-model tractor. But what is out there in current models, with size similar to YM186D and substantially greater hp/lift?

How much does it cost?

 

[fxdp]

I'll never spend the money for a new-model tractor. But what is out there in current models, with size similar to YM186D and substantially greater hp/lift?

How much does it cost?

may have 0 percent finance not sure
kubota b2620 msrp
$14,648.00
26hp
3 point lift cap 1350lbs
weight 1450
45" wide
95"long
so you see about the same size as the yanmar but more capacity - you think this would be ok for that blecavator bv130 ? or to light in the front ?

 

[284 International]

fxdp, you keep asking about the machine being too light up front. I really don't think that should be your major concern. Having a loader on the front should alleviate any of those problems, and the tractors are designed to be mounted with sufficient ballast up front to safely handle their intended loads on the hitch. That B2620 is rated at 19 PTO power, and looks to have just enough lift capacity to use the Blecavator. If you're going to invest that kind of money into such an expensive and specialized implement, I would assume that you have a specific task for it to do and will do it quite a bit. I don't think you will be much ahead to attempt running it with the minimal machine possible. The manufacturer recommends 20-30 horsepower, so I think you ought to be shooting for something closer to the middle of that range as a minimum.

In the older Kubota market, I'd look for something like an L245 as the minimum. You can put enough ballast on the front if it is not equipped with a loader. It will handle the implement safely, and not be overstressed.

 

[California]

Echoing 284, I don't think that particular Kubota is big enough.

While Kubota publishes 1350 lbs lift capacity, they also show this is reduced to a little over 1000 lbs lift capacity measured 24" back from the pins. That Blecavator weighs 870 lbs and much of the 870 lbs is the roller mounted way back, more than 4 ft behind the lift pins. Add the cast iron ring roller option shown in their photo and the seeder option to make the complete package ... its not going to work.

The Blecavator is a counter-rotating tiller. And it needs to dig full depth if it is going to bury stones and debris on the bottom. So the tiller isn't helping the tractor move forward like a rice tiller does, it is fighting the tractor's tractive force every inch of the way. I think their 20 hp minimum isn't realistic for the real-world variety of conditions. Maybe for a vineyard cultivated frequently, but no way is 20 hp going to till and move that thing forward if you ever take it to previously untilled ground.

 

[fxdp]

thats good information for me, thanks to all, its much appriciated