Yanmar or Kukje?

[Snobdds]

I can't name one off the top of my head, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't one. SR

I don't think common rail exists without direct injection.

I searched everywhere.

 

[5030]

Never heard of a Koochie tractor....lol

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Never heard of a Koochie tractor....lol

The same guys that buy them, also buy Kobota's...

SR

 

[the old grind]

I wonder if all Cummins engines are based on Onan designs even those built in-house. IIRC JD has contracted 2.9Ls to be built outside the US over the years. Like with tires & batteries a maker can 'label' the same product(s) under contract for various 'buyers'.

Bob Vila toured a Ryobi factory for TV. Just as we alternated Buick and Olds B & G-bodies on the final assembly lines (facts 40 & 4) there were Craftsman drills interspersed on the same assembly & final process lines.

Gee, could Kukje build Cummins engines and be able to use their tag on some under license?

btw, pretty weak of me to occasionally hoot on Kubo (or Kioti) if the only bad thing about either brand is the color, and yes I know the only other color as cheap to make/buy is black.

 

[Boswell]

It is my understanding that Cummins purchased the Onan diesel many years ago. Cummins made some changes one of which was converting the from a sleeved block to a parent bore.

Someone on the forum may need to correct me but I believe the early Branson tractors named Century tractors carried the Cummins badge. Kukje discontinued using the Cummins name because of licensing costs to carry the name. Hopefully I not spreading internet folklore.

 

[the old grind]

I'm lost on which or how many Cummins there are, which were 'upgraded' to Cummins' design quality, which is/are in which Kukje, ...

If Kukje is no longer licensed to use Cummins pattern what's in 'em?

 

[Torvy]

No Branson dealer nearby? They offer a 16x16 fully synchronized transmission on the 20 series. Shuttle, main gears and also the range gears, all synchronized, which is a great feature.

Branson dealer is about twice as far away (90 miles), but I am looking at the 20 series as well. The dealership is about half way from my current home to our retirement property. It seems that TYM has more standard features than the Branson for the money, but the differences are smaller than versus most other brands. It will come down to value..what do I get for the money. (Not just featues, but dealership, convenience and ergonomics for me). It sounds like the engine model is the same, but different transmission. Hopefully I will have time to drive the Branson during Christmas break. Good part of teaching is lots of time during holidays.

 

[Boss 302]

I must admit, I'm a fan of technology it sure makes life easier (in most cases).

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I must admit, I'm a fan of technology it sure makes life easier (in most cases).

Until it quits working...

Some of us keep our equipment until it's old, and may need parts to keep it going...

SR

 

[Boswell]

"If Kukje is no longer licensed to use Cummins pattern what's in 'em?"

Licensing pertained to Century using the Cummins badge on the tractor. Not what parts are used in the engine.

The A series comes in 3 and 4 cylinder configurations. I don't know the numbers but I suspect there are hundreds of thousands if not more in use world wide. They are found in tractors, forklifts and other machinery needing a small diesel engine. It would make no sense to have different internals whether labeled Cummins or Kukje. It would only complicate support. The individual engines have to be configured to fit the application. Bolt on externals such as alternators, waterpumps, exhaust systems ECT. vary between applications.

 

[ptsg]

"If Kukje is no longer licensed to use Cummins pattern what's in 'em?"

Licensing pertained to Century using the Cummins badge on the tractor. Not what parts are used in the engine.

The A series comes in 3 and 4 cylinder configurations. I don't know the numbers but I suspect there are hundreds of thousands if not more in use world wide. They are found in tractors, forklifts and other machinery needing a small diesel engine. It would make no sense to have different internals whether labeled Cummins or Kukje. It would only complicate support. The individual engines have to be configured to fit the application. Bolt on externals such as alternators, waterpumps, exhaust systems ECT. vary between applications.

Century was just another brand created to sell in the US and they used Kukje, Yanmar and Mitsubishi engines. The engine deal was just between Kukje/Branson and Cummins, which resulted in some Branson models fitted with a Cummins B3.3 engine. One of the models was the Branson 6530 but there are more.

I've read somewhere that Generac is using Kukje engines on some of their generators.

Kukje has also recently signed a contract to manufacture engines for Deutz under 25HP, so Deutz can expand their engine line even further.

 

[hornett22]

I'd prefer kukje

 

[rScotty]

I'd prefer kukje

And I'd prefer the Yanmar.
So there's the answer.... both have their advantages.

 

[Texasmark]

Why Kukje Diesel Tractor Engines Are In a Class All Their Own

Everything You Need to Know About Kukje Diesel Tractor Engines and What Makes Them So Excellent

www.teamtractor.com

Hope this link works. Certainly has one man's opinion but lots of factual information as well.

The Kukje diesel engines offered in both TYM and Branson tractors are simply an A-series Cummins.

I have Bransons with A and B engines and LS with the Yanmar engine. In the A size engine, both are indirect injection (per spec sheets) and as I read Yanmar pioneered the indirect process for small diesels at least as far back as the 1970s as I understand, improving their reliability by the elimination of small injector nozzle openings required for DI at lower HP ratings. I futrher understand that TYM purchased Branson to get the Cummins A series licensed engines in their tractors. My 6530 has a 4 cyl. direct injected B 3.3NA.

I don't know how far up the HP chain IDI vs common rail make the changeover. You could go to the mfgrs. www and pull up the specs on the engines...usually if IDI or direct injected they will tell you. Branson and LS do.

 

[Fielding]

There is a reason Deere uses yanmar for all its little tractors, they are an extremely reliable power plant. I would go with the Yanmar.

 

[ptsg]

There is a reason Deere uses yanmar for all its little tractors, they are an extremely reliable power plant. I would go with the Yanmar.

So are the Kukje engines...

Which, by the way, Kukje have made tractors for JD in the past, and I pretty sure they still do accordingly to their lot full of JD tractors. Kukje also uses a JD engine on their 120HP tractor in South Korea.

 

[Fielding]

I would still go with the yanmar, its easier to get parts in North America. Can get them from either deere or yanmar. No Kukje dealer in the area.