Yard sales and cell phones. (rant)

[jamestaylor72]

JT72, Aggressive and malicious driver's actions loudly proclaim their idiocy and inadequacy. No one should want to become like them as a response to or cure for their stupid actions.

Gee, lets see now, that other driver sure is acting dumb, I'll show him I can be way DUMBER! If they are going to exhibit behavior that endangers others, I'll compound it and do something really incredibly stupid.

What does it say about integrity and moral fiber if you let an obviously defective driver incite you to ape his idiocy? Last time I checked two wrongs still don't make a right.

Pat

Yep,, well said !!!

 

[turnkey4099]

On DWIs.

Idaho has it as a felony after the 2nd one IIANM.

WA just did pass the law "felony after 5!!!"

At least the laws are now allowing a murder conviction for killing someone while DWI. It has to be quite egregious but it has been done. WA's first was on a city street. Drunk going so fast he hit one car, vaulted it and another and landed on top of a third. Court ruled that the act of drinking with intent to drive afterward is sufficient premeditation for a murder charge. There are a few other states doing the same.

Problem with strict enforcement is lack of jail space. I used to be a Corrections (hah, it is to laugh) Officer and every jail in the state was over crowded to the point we couldn't arrest on some warrants.

On Driving suspended: Again WA put a law on the books several years ago (still there as far as I know) that the drivers car could be towed and impounded. Officers had a field day for short time until the tow companies called a halt. Their lots were full of cars that hadn't been redeemed and weren't worth enough on sale to pay the tow/impound fee.

Take away a license? Nope, doesn't stop a drunk for sure and rarely stops a suspended. I released one suspended driver after he served his sentence, watched him climb into the passenger side of the car. Suspicious me, I had the city monitor. Yep, two blocks later, stopped and switched drivers. Faster time between release and rebook I ever did.

Harry K

 

[patrick_g]

Problem with strict enforcement is lack of jail space. I used to be a Corrections (hah, it is to laugh) Officer and every jail in the state was over crowded to the point we couldn't arrest on some warrants.
Harry K

If jails were run as self sustaining work farms with a strict no work- no eat policy there would be a lot less crowding. What is wrong with requiring prisoners to grow food to feed themselves? I'm not suggesting slavery or outside jobs for hire with $ to the state, just doing all that can be done to reduce the cost of confinement and teach the work ethic.

Pat

 

[turnkey4099]

If jails were run as self sustaining work farms with a strict no work- no eat policy there would be a lot less crowding. What is wrong with requiring prisoners to grow food to feed themselves? I'm not suggesting slavery or outside jobs for hire with $ to the state, just doing all that can be done to reduce the cost of confinement and teach the work ethic.

Pat

There is both up and down on that issue. The county jail I worked in also had a 'work release' program. People who had no jobs (and probably never worked an honest day in their lives) would do anything to get a job so they could be out of the jail at least part of the time. Even the work crews the jail ran for those with no jobs had more than enough volunteers. We ran a "chain gang" (no chains) picking up trash on roads. Never a problem getting a crew together even on hot days.

Even Sheriff Arpaio and his tent city always has clients in his facility which can only be described as a **** hole. Tough conditions don't keep the ciminals straight.

Harry K

 

[patrick_g]

Even Sheriff Arpaio and his tent city always has clients in his facility which can only be described as a **** hole. Tough conditions don't keep the ciminals straight.

Harry K

Harry, I don't think we have the means to make a certain residual of the criminals go straight and until or unless we rethink as a society euthanasia/capital punishment for career criminals we are forced to warehouse them to try to keep them off the streets out of the civilian population at large on whom they prey.

Meanwhile as we are maintaining them separate from the more civilized segment of society there are means at hand to reduce the cost of their maintenance. Bleeding heart liberals would have a cow if I were the Czar of incarceration because I would enforce a strict no work no eat policy as far as practical and have the prison population raising their own food. Additionally, they could raise cotton and sheep and make their own Home spun cloth, clothing, bedding, and such.

If our Pilgrim forefathers and other immigrants to the "new world" could survive with their level of technology and understanding surely in these modern times a system based on prison labor could be or nearly be self sufficient in food and clothing and make inroads through surplus output toward the costs of guarding them and maintaining the physical plant.

If you can't rehabilitate predators and you aren't allowed to eliminate them then you should at least try to reduce the drain on the rest of society for warehousing them.

Pat

 

[Jimbrown]

My answer to this problem is quite simple and I guarantee it would work. We simply pay Mexico to keep our prisoners in their jails. About $2 a day would be plenty and those that went and lived thru it would not want to go back.

 

[patrick_g]

My answer to this problem is quite simple and I guarantee it would work. We simply pay Mexico to keep our prisoners in their jails. About $2 a day would be plenty and those that went and lived thru it would not want to go back.

Great idea but first we need relief form the cruel and unusual punishment rules.

Pat

 

[Egon]

Botany Bay ???

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Great idea but first we need relief form the cruel and unusual punishment rules.

Pat

Punish criminals more often and that would take care of the UNUSUAL part right there.

 

[Bird]

I suppose one of the oldest theories in existence about behavior modification says that for punishment to be effective, the severity is much less important than the swiftness and certainty of punishment. I still believe that one, but unfortunately, in our society punishment is neither swift nor certain.