Yesterday. Would you buy and EV?

[MossRoad]

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True = Not asking my neighbors to subsidize the car or the solar panels as is the common practice today.

When we bought our property, we got into a government program to have some of it reforested. 2150 trees bought, planted and side-sprayed by a professional forester. The program reimbursed us 75%. Total cost to us was $265.00. Today, there's 4 acres of 50'+ trees, nice and tall and straight. Thousands of them.

My neighbors paid for it.

I'm not giving it back.

 

[nickfank]

Imminent fear of starvation or violence? Perhaps you should expound on that.

I've expounded far too much already, given that this is a tractor forum. <grin>

I'll just reiterate that in response to your first post, it is true that, without any tax credits, you can save significant money by buying a couple of used EVs and putting solar panels on your barn. The payback period for solar panels works out to just under 12 years, followed by 18 years of free energy.

Those are facts. Everything else is debatable.

 

[MossRoad]

...The rate of return on buying solar is much better than any stock index fund.)

Uh, no...

 

[ultrarunner]

You do realize that I subsidized your panels as well? What are you subsidizing for me?
Didn't your car get taxpayer subsidies as well?

Not all panels are subsidized.... mine were in boxes bought in 2008 and came with the house purchase and I quicky set to get them up and producing.

I could take the same number of modern panels and more than double my production in the same footprint...

Since installed I always produce more than I use...

 

[5030]

When we bought our property, we got into a government program to have some of it reforested. 2150 trees bought, planted and side-sprayed by a professional forester. The program reimbursed us 75%. Total cost to us was $265.00. Today, there's 4 acres of 50'+ trees, nice and tall and straight. Thousands of them.

My neighbors paid for it.

I'm not giving it back.

You paid for it as well. Called income tax.

 

[Roric]

Uh, no...

I can say that my solar array was financed with a withdrawal from a balanced fund in Oct of 2019.
With a roughly $2000 annual electric bill that is not here anymore; the rate of return is better than that money would have earned. The market fluctuations, kilowatt hour and other rate changes are in play here too.
The stock market and monthly utilities are volatile things. (The solar will return enough to pay for itself within the next 2 years). Then the power will be free, excluding maintenance.
Everyone's milage may vary but I can agree with nickfrank here.

regards,
R

 

[5030]

I'd be more than willing to cover our large hip roof barn (100 x 100 feet, 3 stories) with solar panels in a minute so long as one of you solar junkies pays for it. I have no issue with that at all.

 

[Pixguy]

I have a decent sized detached garage that would be a good spot for panels and I had it quoted, but I'm not asking others to help pay for it and the ROI isn't there for me to foot the whole bill and is why the gubmint (US) subsidizes them.

im not knocking others for taking advantage of the program but just realize that it's your neighbors who are helping pay for them.

 

[ultrarunner]

Wouldn't it be the same when utilities provide incentives and rebates?

Currently electric utility is offering a rebate for using less electricity during projected shortfalls in addition to existing tiered rates for peek and off peek.

Water company gives out hose nozzle and low flow shower heads and toilet rebates.

Another program give away was a single LED to each residential customer...

When you can't force people to do something or it takes too long incentives and surcharges are means of controlling the masses.

Some neighborhoods are getting free private sewer lateral replacements because aging mains overflow into the creek...

With some mains 30+ feet under the road it was determined to be cost effective to replace laterals at the same time the roads were being dug up... every single one of my neighbors got free private lateral replacement and I didn't... When I bought I knew the old Orangeburg pipe was in bad shape so I said the right thing is to pay to replace to the tune of $3300... being pro active cost me but I can't predict the future.

 

[5030]

I'm not asking others to help pay for it

I am..... All the blowing on here extolling the virtues, I want to experience that myself but, as a good citizen of this country, I want someone else to pay for it so I can reap the rewards. it's the American way today...

 

[ultrarunner]

I am..... All the blowing on here extolling the virtues, I want to experience that myself but, as a good citizen of this country, I want someone else to pay for it so I can reap the rewards. it's the American way today...

It more a way to bend the masses to the political will of the time... at least my thinking on incentives.

 

[Pixguy]

It more a way to bend the masses to the political will of the time... at least my thinking on incentives.

I agree, it's very political.

 

[ultrarunner]

I agree, it's very political.

That's about all I will say as not to derail...

 

[Pixguy]

Not all panels are subsidized.... mine were in boxes bought in 2008 and came with the house purchase and I quicky set to get them up and producing.

I could take the same number of modern panels and more than double my production in the same footprint...

Since installed I always produce more than I use...

I agree, i paid for the panels on my motorhome but I was speaking of the array of panels people are getting subsidized for.

 

[5030]

It more a way to bend the masses to the political will of the time... at least my thinking on incentives.

Being done everyday in DC anyway. All the supposedly knowledgeable posters on here need to get their collective wallets out and buy me a system and I'll even let the more adventurous posters install it for me.

 

[Pixguy]

Wouldn't it be the same when utilities provide incentives and rebates?

Currently electric utility is offering a rebate for using less electricity during projected shortfalls in addition to existing tiered rates for peek and off peek.

Water company gives out hose nozzle and low flow shower heads and toilet rebates.

Another program give away was a single LED to each residential customer...

When you can't force people to do something or it takes too long incentives and surcharges are means of controlling the masses.

Some neighborhoods are getting free private sewer lateral replacements because aging mains overflow into the creek...

With some mains 30+ feet under the road it was determined to be cost effective to replace laterals at the same time the roads were being dug up... every single one of my neighbors got free private lateral replacement and I didn't... When I bought I knew the old Orangeburg pipe was in bad shape so I said the right thing is to pay to replace to the tune of $3300... being pro active cost me but I can't predict the future.

Not in my opinion. The utilities are not using taxpayer collected funds to incentivize.

 

[5030]

Not at all political to me. In fact, I just want a system for free so I do can be an EV and solar junkie. I will say I do have a set of panels and charge controller on my RV that I paid for which is another reason I want someone else to pay for and install an array on my barn. I know what good panels and charge controllers cost.

 

[ultrarunner]

Not in my opinion. The utilities are not using taxpayer collected funds to incentivize.

Kind of I guess...

PGE is a private company but sewer is city owned and maintained and water is in between in that it is a municipal utility district...

 

[tradosaurus]

With no one being forced to buy one why is current demand outstripping their availability?

Also, why are people paying exorbitant prices for EV's when the purpose is to get off of petrol? I bought my Chevy Bolt EV for $32K this May and then got a $5K rebate from GM because the 2023 prices were cut by that amount.
I'm not paying $50k-$100k for an EV since that amount would buy me a LOT of gas/diesel.

 

[tradosaurus]

One thing I've learned in life, if a person gets tax credits, subsidies, help along the way they deserve it. Of someone else gets those same tax credits, subsidies, help along the way they're good for nothing welfare queens taking advantage of the system. Lol

If you get tax credits then you are paying taxes, and probably lot of it.
If you get welfare and stay on welfare indefinitely then you are taking advantage of the system.