YM 2210D How does it work?

[tomture]

Hello,

I just bought an old beat up YM 2210D.

Would somebody mind telling me what the 4 different shifter levers are for on this model tractor? I know the Power Shift lever and the 2wd/4wd lever, but there are 2 more levers, right in front of the drivers seat, and I dont know what they are for.

My manual is for a different model tractor that has a different layout than the one I own. I would like to understand if there is a pattern that the different gear lay in,..

Is the PTO controlled by the clutch and one of the levers??

Also, how long does it take for the powershift to engage after I release the clutch?? 2-3 sec??

Would you know where the Transmission Fluid filter is located on the 2210D?


Thanks very much for your help.

 

[California]

I have a smaller Yanmar with Powershift. From what I have learned, they designed it to have a delay between letting the clutch out and moving forward.

The transmission input shaft (driven by the clutch) turns a tiny hydraulic pump that energizes the Powershift's internal clutch packs. The tractor won't move until those clutches engage. Of course dirty fluid and plugged filters could slow the hydraulic fluid to make an unreasonable delay.

I like their design. Letting the clutch out starts the huge inertia of a rotary mower or tiller immediately. Then a moment later after that load on the engine is lessened, the engine hp is available to start moving uphill in a taller gear than could have been used if everything were directly connected.

This capability may not be essential on your larger Yanmar. For my little Yanmar with 15 hp at the pto, it makes it surprisingly close in performance to my 20 hp (pto) Yanmar.

Is one of your shift levers for Hi/Lo range ahead of the main transmission?

 

[piotrbpm]

PL
Może ja coś pomogę od 3 miesięcy jestem użytkownikiem tego modelu.
Dzwignia po lewej odpowiada za 4 prędkości PTO.
Dzwignia po prawej to 5 biegów mechanicznych przekładni .
Dzwignia mała środkowa to powershift z w zakresie 3 do przodu i 1 wsteczny .
Co daje 15 biegów do przodu i 5 do tyłu
Może kolega jest zainteresowany japońskim katalogiem częsci do tego modelu ?
ANG
Maybe I'll help anything between 3 months and I am using this model.
Lever on the left is responsible for the 4 speed PTO.
Lever on the right is a 5-speed mechanical gearbox.
Lever is a small middle-powershift conjunction of 3 forward and 1 reverse.
What gives you 15 forward gears and reverse 5
Maybe a friend is interested in the Japanese catalog parts to this model?

 

[winston1]

Transmission screen cover. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/yanmar/120730-hydro-system-filter.html

 

[tomture]

Fantastic, Thanks very much for the help!!

Here is what I found out. If facing forward, the left lever is the range lever. The gears lay in a kind of H pattern 1,2,3,4 and C. C for crawl. In conjunction with the "Power Shift" that makes for 12 forward gears and 4 reverse? The lever to the right is the PTO lever. Gears also in a H pattern 1,2,3 and 4. I found this video where you can get a glimpse of the layout. Start the video at 1.05.

Thanks also for pointing me in the right direction to the transmission Screen Cover. I will take it apart on Thursday.

Again, Thanks for all your help.


YouTube - Yanmar 2210D 4x4 Compact Tractor w/ New Custom Loader - Josef Tractor

 

[Roonabeck]

I have a smaller Yanmar with Powershift. From what I have learned, they designed it to have a delay between letting the clutch out and moving forward.

Really? My 1510 has no delay at all. If I push the clutch in, select a gear, and pop the clutch out, it takes off just like I would expect from a regular non-powershift gear-driven model. Your 186d doesn't do that?

 

[California]

My 1510 has no delay at all. If I push the clutch in, select a gear, and pop the clutch out, it takes off just like I would expect from a regular non-powershift gear-driven model. Your 186d doesn't do that?

No. It's about the same as my Ford Focus where shifting from neutral to D or R has a momentary delay. Maybe a little longer than the Ford. That is at low rpm. I don't think I ever tried this at high rpm.

Dave's in Red Bluff, a former Yanmar importer (now selling Mahindra) did some repairs for me after I bought it elsewhere. He advised me that this delay is a known characteristic of YM186. I assumed 1510 would do this also.

If you get instantaneous gear engagement - maybe it's time for me to clean my strainer. It had new fluid and external filter when I bought it in 2009 and the strainer was claimed to have been cleaned, so I haven't serviced it yet.

What are the observations of other Powershift owners?

 

[284 International]

My YM186D behaves just as California describes. Apparently it's a trait of the design. The last paragraph in the first column describes it:

(This file is a scan of a sales brochure originally from RScotty)

I haven't experienced enough of a difference in implement engagement time to get, say, a brush mower up to speed, but there is some lag that would work for a tiller or something. It feels just about like having a car in park on a cold morning, starting it, then immediately dropping it into gear. There's a just-perceptible lag, then the engine is connected.

 

[California]

Thanks for posting that. The YM186 delay seems to be 'a feature, not a bug'.

However it works, it avoids what I worry about on the YM240: having to feather the clutch to get the mower started, simultaneous with getting the tractor moving in a too-tall gear.

RScotty is amazing. He's one of my heroes, the inspiration for me to keep helping novices when I see them ask the identical questions I asked with my first Yanmar. And he's been at this 30 years or so! :drink:

 

[Pete Judd]

My 186D has a slight delay when shifting the power shift. Seems normal, and I got used to it real quick.

 

[284 International]

The rest of the brochure he left me is posted here, if anyone is interested. It's not mine. RScotty originally sent it to me. I try to give credit and cite my sources as I'm able. He's a great resource, and also a tremendously nice guy.

 

[MJPetersen]

Mine also has a short lag time between when the clutch engages and tractor starts moving. This is more pronounced at low RPMs and when cold.

Mike

 

[tomture]

As I posted earlier I just bought a YM 2210D. When I started it up I could not get it in gear. I thought I might not know how to put it in gear,..but I am now certain. After changing fluid and cleaning the screen I still can not get it to engage. I am now HOPING it might have a problem with the Relief valve in the Power shift regulator case. I am using the manual for a YM276D. I am under the impression they are similar. I will update my findings as I go along. Tom

 

[tomture]

I took my regulator case apart (YM2210D). I did not find any broken springs, but the two valves did not move smoothly. Cleaned and lubricated. Found a filter next to the 2nd relief valve. Cleaned screen. I am attaching three pix. Does anyone know what the two plugs are for on top of the casing. Is there a need to bleed the the system?? If so,. is that what the plugs are for?? Have a good day. Tom

 

[tomture]

Hello again,

Not sure if i should continue posting here or if I should start a new thread,... I bought this Yanmar 2210D in the winter that I kind of know would have several issues. Today I replaced the head gasket and with the help of Matt at Hoye I now have the engine running OK.

The issue with the transmission remains, here is the full description of the problem:

The tractor does not move forward or reverse.

When I start the engine, I have the clutch pedal pushed down, the tractor in gear and the power shift in 1,2,3 or reverse. When the engine starts running I RELEASE THE Clutch PEDAL and the engine really begins to LABOR. There is a big change in the rpm when I release the clutch pedal.

When I move the power shift- shifter into different positions I can also hear a change in how the engine labor. 1,2,3 & reverse I can hear that the engine labors differently compared to neutral.

As you can see above, I have taken the power shift box apart, cleaned and lubed all springs and valves.

My PTO works normal.

Do I have a bad clutch?? Do I need to split my tractor in order to fix it???


Thank you very much.


Tom

 

[winston1]

Does your tractor roll ok?

 

[tomture]

Winston,

I have rolled the tractor by hand in and out of my garage a few times. I would have to say,.. yes it rolls OK.

However, when I first got it I was all frozen up (which I forgot about) and it would not roll until it had thawed in the garage,.. I cant wait to hear what you are thinking???!!!

Thanks again, Tom

 

[winston1]

When I asked if it would roll I was wondering if brakes or something might be locked on it. Sounds like that is not the case. I have went back and read this whole thread. I don't see any mention of cleaning screen, filter and fluid. Have you done that? When putting the tractor in neutral and engaging the pto does it turn and no lugging of the tractor? Does your 3 point lift function normally? I'm sure the manual you have has a trouble shooting section similiar to my 226 manual. There is a pretty long list of possibility's with your symptoms. Need to make sure your fluid and filters are in good shape to start with. I'm back, read back over the thread again and see where fluid and screen are cleaned so forget that. I think I read on another forum where you have tested the pto and it works ok with tractor in neutral. :ashamed: You have probably stated about the 3 point lift function but humor me and tell us again. It may be time for a pressure check on your system. Have you read that part in your manual?

 

[tomture]

Winston,

Thanks for your extensive reply. I have manuals for a 276 and 135-155. Not the exact manual for a 2210D. I was told the 276 should be fine. I will take some time to study the manual in detail tonite.

Here is what I know:

The PTO runs as what i think is normal. Both speeds work OK. It stops when the clutch is pressed down and it engages when the clutch is released. If the tractor is in gear to drive or not does not matter. Does this mean the main clutch is OK?

The 3PH work normal. Up/ down with handle.

The FEL works normal.

2/4 wheel drive does not matter, tractor does not move.

The screen and fluid where cleaned and changed.

The tractor was frozen when I got it. (its a project), would not roll until thawed.

My impression from running the tractor and listening to the sounds that I hear is (but could be wrong, I am new to this) that the power shift is OK. I think i hear gears moving in the transmission, but the tractor doesn't move.

I will study the linkage between transmission and drive axle.

Thanks very much for your input. I will continue to update this post.


Tom

 

[Roonabeck]

The tractor was frozen when I got it. (its a project), would not roll until thawed.

You mean there was ice in the transmission, and it had to melt, before the tractor would roll?