YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel

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Those video's are very good!! I mentioned a pitted axle collar I opted to let go. Sure wasn't anything like that!! Now that the drip or 2 has quit and seeing the condition of that one sure makes me feel a lot better.:thumbsup:
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel #22  
A bull gear or drive tooth failure would be rare. I'm wondering if the problem is the locking differential. The way I go after diagnosis is to ask myself what would be the most likely thing to have happened..... And now I see those splines in the hub.....

Putting those together makes me think that someone sometime got stuck and tried to engage the locking differential when the wheel was spinning. Or even made a habit of doing so. I think I'll go back to that exploded diagram of the rear end and see if that was the case then what would have failed....

Do you have a shop manual?
rScotty
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel #23  
Im going with a Ring & pinion, or a broken spider gear tooth... The repair is from the top end.
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel
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#24  
A bull gear or drive tooth failure would be rare. I'm wondering if the problem is the locking differential. The way I go after diagnosis is to ask myself what would be the most likely thing to have happened..... And now I see those splines in the hub.....

Putting those together makes me think that someone sometime got stuck and tried to engage the locking differential when the wheel was spinning. Or even made a habit of doing so. I think I'll go back to that exploded diagram of the rear end and see if that was the case then what would have failed....

Do you have a shop manual?
rScotty

Scotty... I do not yet have a shop manual. I will admit and claim complete ignorance here. This being my first tractor, that came with zero instruction & no operators manual, I don't know what all the levers do what unless eliminating through trial and error. Long story short, I had a mobile mechanic come out months back that gave me a TON of info on the old Yanmar. One thing he pointed out was the LOCKER foot pedal. He says, "so, if you're ever stuck with one wheel spinning, just mash down on that lever and now the two tires are locked together. It will disengage by itself once tension is released on the drivetrain". So.... Your explanation of "someone" trying to engage the locker with wheels spinning might very well be the case. Operator error! However, when the failure occurred, the locker had not been engaged, attempted or anything like that. I was simply just plowing a pile of brush.

Unfortunately I had a VERY busy week last week with kids school programs and other commitments. I wasn't able to get into the issue hardly at all. So, here is the latest update.
Backhoe has been removed. I've never done it before and neither had the friend whom I purchased the tractor from, so it was a learning experience. I have the tractor in the shop with the PTO shield & outer perimeter PTO case bolts removed. As of yet, I've been quite unsuccessful in actually removing the PTO cover. I'm afraid to remove the 4 larger inward bolts as i'm assuming that's what is hold the gear set together inside. She doesn't want to let go of her seal and I'm afraid I'll break the case if I smack it any harder.

So, I'm stuck without a solution, unless there is some sort of "liquid" solution out there that might dissolve really old gasket material? I'm open to suggestions at this point. Thanks
 
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Scotty... I do not yet have a shop manual. I will admit and claim complete ignorance here. This being my first tractor, that came with zero instruction & no operators manual, I don't know what all the levers do what unless eliminating through trial and error. Long story short, I had a mobile mechanic come out months back that gave me a TON of info on the old Yanmar. One thing he pointed out was the LOCKER foot pedal. He says, "so, if you're ever stuck with one wheel spinning, just mash down on that lever and now the two tires are locked together. It will disengage by itself once tension is released on the drivetrain". So.... Your explanation of "someone" trying to engage the locker with wheels spinning might very well be the case. Operator error! However, when the failure occurred, the locker had not been engaged, attempted or anything like that. I was simply just plowing a pile of brush.

Unfortunately I had a VERY busy week last week with kids school programs and other commitments. I wasn't able to get into the issue hardly at all. So, here is the latest update.
Backhoe has been removed. I've never done it before and neither had the friend whom I purchased the tractor from, so it was a learning experience. I have the tractor in the shop with the PTO shield & outer perimeter PTO case bolts removed. As of yet, I've been quite unsuccessful in actually removing the PTO cover. I'm afraid to remove the 4 larger inward bolts as i'm assuming that's what is hold the gear set together inside. She doesn't want to let go of her seal and I'm afraid I'll break the case if I smack it any harder.

So, I'm stuck without a solution, unless there is some sort of "liquid" solution out there that might dissolve really old gasket material? I'm open to suggestions at this point. Thanks

That's too bad, but water under the bridge now.
The person who advised you forgot to mention a very important fact about the locking differential. For example, engaging it via the foot lever simply uses brute force to physically connect one rear axle to the other. It's about as subtle as dropping a big old bolt into a gear box. It is something to do carefully and with nothing moving....or at worst with a tire rotating very slowly. Once engaged, you can add power without a problems But trying to engage it with a spinning wheel is a sure fire formula for breaking things internally. So the locking differential may not BE your problem, but if you engaged it with one wheel spinning it darn sure may have CAUSED your problem. And that propblem could well be a broken tooth somewhere inside. In the intermediate(bull) gears, the transmission gears, or the differential planetary. But probably only one. .

Tacoa, I'm going to be blunt here. With a 240D and a backhoe you have at least $6K worth of tractor that is now broken for lack of a few hundred dollars worth of manuals. You ought to fix that situation before you fix the tractor. Yes, it is worth some wrench time. These are classically good tractors. You just had bad advice and worse luck.... maybe..... and maybe you'll still get lucky.....

BTW, I have no idea whether taking the PTO off will avail you anything. What makes you think so?

And as far as I know, there isn't anything that will dissolve old gasket cement from the outside. Normal procedure with a stuck cast iron cover is to pry it apart - very carefully with feather-thin wedges and prayers for luck - tap, tap tapping it can take an hour or more very easily. Then you scrape the faces clean. For reassembly I use a CURED layer of silicone sealer smeared onto my paper gaskets - but it's a method that takes careful prep.

Again, why are you taking that PTO cover off? What do you expect to find? Or is it just convenient?

I am thinking yoy need to get an operator's manual, plus a Yanmar shop manual for the 240D or 195D - NOT the Int'l Tractor or IT version for one manual fits them all....nor do you need the flat rate manual....or the supplemental shop manual. You need the basic Factory Yanmar Shop Manual - the real deal. And last but not least, a genuine Yanmar parts manual. These all come up on Ebay all the time,
With these the forum members here can help.

I see on Ebay that there is an original operator's manual for your 240D right now for 20 bucks. In there you will find things like a warning not to forcefully engage that foot lever with the wheels spinning.

Expect the shop and parts manuals to cost 50 to 100 bucks each. Much more expensive than the operator's manual

I believe that the YM195D is very similar to your 240D tractor, if so a YM195(D) manual would be usable for procedures.
rScotty
 
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Scotty... I do not yet have a shop manual. I will admit and claim complete ignorance here. This being my first tractor, that came with zero instruction & no operators manual, I don't know what all the levers do what unless eliminating through trial and error. Long story short, I had a mobile mechanic come out months back that gave me a TON of info on the old Yanmar. One thing he pointed out was the LOCKER foot pedal. He says, "so, if you're ever stuck with one wheel spinning, just mash down on that lever and now the two tires are locked together. It will disengage by itself once tension is released on the drivetrain". So.... Your explanation of "someone" trying to engage the locker with wheels spinning might very well be the case. Operator error! However, when the failure occurred, the locker had not been engaged, attempted or anything like that. I was simply just plowing a pile of brush.

Unfortunately I had a VERY busy week last week with kids school programs and other commitments. I wasn't able to get into the issue hardly at all. So, here is the latest update.
Backhoe has been removed. I've never done it before and neither had the friend whom I purchased the tractor from, so it was a learning experience. I have the tractor in the shop with the PTO shield & outer perimeter PTO case bolts removed. As of yet, I've been quite unsuccessful in actually removing the PTO cover. I'm afraid to remove the 4 larger inward bolts as i'm assuming that's what is hold the gear set together inside. She doesn't want to let go of her seal and I'm afraid I'll break the case if I smack it any harder.

So, I'm stuck without a solution, unless there is some sort of "liquid" solution out there that might dissolve really old gasket material? I'm open to suggestions at this point. Thanks
if you pry you will break any old gasket seal, so if you did that, that is not what's holding it. Did you watch the Videos Aaron made from Hoye that is posted on youtube where he removes the PTO assembly? If you want you can remove the top and look down in there, its only like 6 or 8 bolts and lifts right off once you disconnect the hydro line. You can look down at it all from the top then.

And yes never engage the lock while a wheel is spinning, that can shear off the locking pin or bust gears when they finally catch.
 
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#27  
Tacoa, I'm going to be blunt here. With a 240D and a backhoe you have at least $6K worth of tractor that is now broken for lack of a few hundred dollars worth of manuals. You ought to fix that situation before you fix the tractor. Yes, it is worth some wrench time. These are classically good tractors. You just had bad advice and worse luck.... maybe..... and maybe you'll still get lucky.....

BTW, I have no idea whether taking the PTO off will avail you anything. What makes you think so?

rScotty... I don't mind you being blunt. I'm just thankful that there's kind and willing individuals on this forum willing to help and offer gentle advice. I've been on other truck forums where if you ask the wrong question you would get flamed to no end. Folks will take the time to and go out of their way to respond with nothing but hatred and offer zero help or advice. It's ridiculous! I have not experienced that here.

So, you are correct. I'm into the tractor for $4,500 plus $100 in annual maintenance supplies. I haven't had the tractor very long and up until now, haven't needed a shop manual, but I will definitely be getting one now. She's been abused over the years & I've slowly been going through her fixing, replacing or repairing things along the way. Every hydraulic cylinder leaks, some more than others. Something I need to address but I haven't the down time right now to be doing it. All I can do for the time being is keep the hydro fluid filled. We just incurred a $20,000 septic system repair that really is putting this project on the back burner even further now :(

As for removing the PTO, I've gone over hours of online research & videos, including the video from Hoye, and it appears to me that if the PTO is removed it would reveal the carrier, bull gears, etc. If I am incorrect in that understanding, I'd love for there to be an easier solution to gaining access to the internals for further inspection.
I'm not scared to tackle the situation at hand. I've had plenty of experience tearing down & putting back together all things automotive, but this is my first tractor.
 
   / YM240D developed clunking at rear wheel
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#28  
if you pry you will break any old gasket seal, so if you did that, that is not what's holding it. Did you watch the Videos Aaron made from Hoye that is posted on youtube where he removes the PTO assembly? If you want you can remove the top and look down in there, its only like 6 or 8 bolts and lifts right off once you disconnect the hydro line. You can look down at it all from the top then.

Can you be more specific when you say "you can remove the top". I've seen the shifter pulled but that only revealed the transmission gears, at least in the video I saw. Thanks
 
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Can you be more specific when you say "you can remove the top". I've seen the shifter pulled but that only revealed the transmission gears, at least in the video I saw. Thanks
The part that has the three point lift arms connected to it. Has the valve on it, your seat mounts onto it as well. It's literally the top of the transmission section. Look at the tractor you will see what I. Talking about. Nothing but the big hydro line to disconnect. Then pull the bolts that go into it vertically to hold it and lifted it. It's pretty heavy and is in an awkward position to remove it so a cherry picker would help a lot .
 
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Awesome! Thanks for that. I'll have a look this evening. Hopefully that is easier than the PTO!
 

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