You knew it couldn't last

[Birdman253]

... I admire his dedication and determination to make a business go. But let's face it, how often do you get to cry wolf a'fore no one comes running to your aid? Sounds oddly enough like there's a trend here. He's using equipment (models and brands) that have a stellar reputation, yet his "luck" with them is horrendous. (New Holland and Rhino BOTH have taken a bashing)

Brian, maybe you need to take a long carefull look at how you're using this equipment. Also, as is the case with the mowers you have, you can't use medium duty equipment in sustained commercial use without a high part failure rate. That's why they make extra heavy duty mowers.

AMEN!!!!! I have been trying to figure out how to express this exact sentiment, and Farmwithjunk did it more eloquently than I ever could.

One thing I have noticed, almost anytime Brian posts about a problem, it is defective, poorly made, junk, etc. I have not found a post about one of his problems where he simply says, "It broke, but I think I screwed up." It seems to me that either he, or an employee is abusive to the equipment, but instead of accepting this fact, he feels better slinging mud at various manufacturers.

As to his reasoning that NH bought back the first TC that he claims is a lemon with no protest, he probably never stopped to think, that knowing that TC's are superb units, they could buy his back, give him another tractor that he might be happy with, and sell his old one to someone that will run it for thousands of hours without a minute's trouble.

I will also bet that the local dealer that he has bashed so thoroughly here is probably raising a glass tonight to the fact that Brian's business is going to the other dealer.

 

[AndyMA]

I would hope to find that people would value all sides of the story and decide for themselves. But apparantly not and somehow my experiences are not valid. So, don't worry I won't take up any more of your precious time telling both the good points and the bad from my experiences, I'll just join the rest of the cheerleading crowd.

Brian

Not everybody here always cheerleads. I also had NH buy back a tractor. In my case a TN75S. It's just that some people, hopefully including myself don't spend so much time posting about every detail. I break tractors regularly. Sometimes I think the manufacturer may be responsible, but in many cases I just suck it up and fix it so I can get back to work. One think I try not to do is post inflamatory posts.

Another thing that would hep is not to generalize so much about a piece of equipment. "All New Holands are Junk" is very different from "I think I bought a Lemon New Holland" People just don't want to be told that they are stupid and the major purchace they spent so much time and money on is a mistake.

Just my thoughts

Andy

 

[Soundguy]

I don' think anybody is calling you a liar.. or saying that -any- brand of tractors don't have problems.

i think the main point being disputed is your assessment that the metal that broke is pot metal... the consensus is that it is not.. and we are awaiting pics to determine that.

The next point is use vs abuse. IE.. as FWJ pointed out.. stuff breaks when you use it.... that's life.. however it seems to break more when you abuse it.. etc. IE.. it sounds like some of the work / force being applied to your machines and equipment are possibly beyond the scope of 'routine'.

No one said you were a bad person.


Soundguy

I had a much longer post and I deleted it in lieu of this

Honesty

I noticed it doesn't mean much here and that's too bad. In spite of all my faults the one thing I have always done and will always do is tell the truth. I'm sorry you don't like the truth, but it is, nonetheless the truth.

So, please go on believing that everything is perfect and no NH's have any issues at all (you know, despite the fact that NH bought my first TC45 back with pretty much zero pushback) and are all assembled and designed perfectly and any issues at all are all operator induced.

Too bad.

I would hope to find that people would value all sides of the story and decide for themselves. But apparantly not and somehow my experiences are not valid. So, don't worry I won't take up any more of your precious time telling both the good points and the bad from my experiences, I'll just join the rest of the cheerleading crowd.

 

[Soundguy]

Hmm.. sure got quiet in here all of a sudden!

Soundguy

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Hmm.. sure got quiet in here all of a sudden!

Soundguy

Yep. I'm betting that I'm not on Brians Christmas card list this year.

 

[TCBoomer]

I for one...probably the only one at that!... agree with Brian's position. It is what it is and many folks here ~seem~ to have an issue with others posting anything negative. Good or bad, right or wrong... Life isn't always a bowl of cherries.

Good for you Brian for taking a stand and your welcome to join me at the local pub for a few

 

[MikePA]

It is what it is and many folks here ~seem~ to have an issue with others posting anything negative.

This is totally false. Brian got nothing but support in this thread which was nothing but negative both about the tractor and the dealer, until the very end when the dealer finally did the right thing and Brian got a tractor that wasn't a lemon.

Please explain what is wrong with asking Brian, or anyone else for that matter, to actually supply the proof they said they would post in order to substantiate their accusation?

People are entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Either the part was pot metal or it wasn't. Plenty of people, with credentials (one a former NH tech), questioned whether it was. Hardly 'negative'.

 

[TCBoomer]

This is totally false. Brian got nothing but support in this thread which was nothing but negative both about the tractor and the dealer.

Please explain what is wrong with asking Brian, or anyone else for that matter, to actually supply the proof they said they would post in order to substantiate their accusation?

People are entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.

Yeah but so much for the support he got here in this one, including but not limited to the proverbial "taptaptaptaptap". Oh wait a minute, that's just an opinion. Humiliation at it's best if I say so myself! and before you say anything to counter that, think about 'it' and the family oriented theme that is procrastinated so much.

As for providing any proof? So what that he hasn't posted any pics. In fact I'd be WTB that even if he did, someone would disprove something about it.

As for my statement being false, FAR FROM IT! I've seen it over and over again. The only correction I would make is "many folks would..." should have said "some folks would..."


just my honest opinion...right or wrong-good or bad

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I for one...probably the only one at that!... agree with Brian's position. It is what it is and many folks here ~seem~ to have an issue with others posting anything negative. Good or bad, right or wrong... Life isn't always a bowl of cherries.

Good for you Brian for taking a stand and your welcome to join me at the local pub for a few

When someone ask's for help, or an opinion on a situation, would it be more helpful to tell them what they want to hear? Or would it be more helpful to tell them how you see it from an objective viewpoint?

In the thread about Brians tractor problems, I was most supportive of his attempts to get a replacement tractor from New Holland. That in NO WAY was a validation of his comments of certain models of New Holland tractors being "JUNK". In that thread, I had a few people taking pot shots at me for suggesting the dealer was at fault to a degree for not taking up for Brians cause at an earlier point in the litany of troubles.

In the thread about his mower troubles, my opinion was his consistant problems seemed to be almost totally exclusive to him. And with that, look at how he was using his mowers, and what duty rating he had purchased for a commercial application.

A good many of the problems he's had with his equipment stem from damages during routine use. Those things happen, and they're generally NOT design problems, nor are they a sign that the product in question is "JUNK". Very simply, you HAVE to use equipment in a manner that doesn't destroy it, OR, get used to breaking stuff. Also, one has to look at the frequency of breakage. It then becomes an issue of EITHER buying equipment that is just too light duty for the task at hand, OR, possible operator abuse/mis-use.

If you toss out your opinion for all to respond to, be ready just in case that response isn't exactly what you wanted or expected.

 

[MikePA]

Yeah but so much for the support he got here in this one, including but not limited to the proverbial "taptaptaptaptap".

Brian started the taptaptaptap to indicate he was waiting for me to read his previous posts in the thread. Others, including me, took up the same characterization and are taptaptaptapping waiting for him to post the pictures he promised.

...and the family oriented theme that is procrastinated so much.

'Procrastinated' so much? Procrastinated? What's that mean? Family oriented doesn't mean hard questions can't be asked.

In fact I'd be WTB that even if he did, someone would disprove something about it.

Talk about a self fulfilling, self serving prophecy. "I wont post the pictures because no one will believe me." Brian could shut all the 'NH cheerleaders' up by posting the pictures. He hasn't. Why?