Your last generator Maintenance Run

   / Your last generator Maintenance Run
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#821  
I have been doing generator maintenance on and off for most of my life and part of plant maintenance. Ours have always been diesel, except the few that were natural gas, and the one that was CNG, but only because we had a CNG plant on site that we maintained as well.

Some of the loading/exercising is to keep the engine working properly. As you probably know idling a stored car once a month is better than never starting it but not really keeping it in good shape. You need to exercise all the systems to make sure they are working and keep them in operational state. Basically any load that will idle it up and cause it to work is good. If you are wanting hit a certain amount of load heaters are good. So are compressors. Just make sure that your gen set can handle the inrush of starting a large compressor if you have one. It can be really rough on the motor for the compressor. (Massive lighting loads are also good, not everyone has a few hundred thousand square feet of office space to use as load tho:) ) You can measure the load using amp meters. If you know your gen set can handle 200 amps total at 220 volts you need to be able to load it at 100 amps on some 220 circuits. Any load is better than no load, you want to see it work, not just sit there and be ready to work.

As for loading keeping the moisture out, or maintaining the magnetics... The magnetic fields are for the most part created under run conditions and induced from one set of windings to another. The iron cores and the windings should be encased in resin to keep dry. If you are getting moisture in the iron cores at a rate significant enough for corrosion periodic run times are not going to keep them dried out. My generator for camping gets exercised right before leaving once every year or three. It works flawlessly, just as good as the ones that I tend to that get exercised weekly. Albeit on a much smaller scale, and minus a phase.

The current place of employment has a few 3 phase generators on site. We have them set to exercise one per week for an hour. 15 minute start up, 30 minute load and 15 minute cool down. We have them set to transfer the whole building UPS systems from city to generator power for that 30 minutes. During these regular automatic exercise cycles the generators and transfer switches are observed.

At the end of the day the main reason you want to exercise your generator has to do with fault detection. Any abnormal run condition or lack or run condition, be it during start up or during transfer/load is best detected while normal power is available so that repairs can be done while normal power is available. It is inevitably harder to source a back up generator or get generator repairs while there is no power as you are probably not the only one in need.

So, how much load? Enough to know that the gen set is going to do it's job when it is needed. How often? Professionally we like to do it weekly but at a minimum monthly.

As for the last generator maintenance run. Oil and fuel filters changed with the oil yearly. Air filters changed when needed. Oil analysis done once a year.

My own personal ones.... Oil changed when it looks bad, never analyzed. Air filters changed when they can't be blown out any more... lol.

Welcome to TBN CB, and thanks for stopping by.

Good input - IMO one of the best uses of these forums is listening to other peoples direct experience. In another recent thread I cited Will Rogers quote about Learning and Electric Fences...... I've had enough "Learning Experiences" over the years to provide me some incentive to sharpen my listening skills ;).

Good analogy about cars sitting around - that is the mechanical system that the most people will be familiar with. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking of PM motors.... your comment on magnetics reminds to me add looking at actual modern day generator design to my rainy-day list.

While I do detect some humour :) in your comments on your personal generator, I do want to ask - Is the much lighter exercise on your camping gen simply because it serves a less critical function than the facility generators, or are there technical reasons for that difference in approach ?

Rgds, D.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #822  
Welcome to TBN CB, and thanks for stopping by.

Good input - IMO one of the best uses of these forums is listening to other peoples direct experience. In another recent thread I cited Will Rogers quote about Learning and Electric Fences...... I've had enough "Learning Experiences" over the years to provide me some incentive to sharpen my listening skills ;).

Good analogy about cars sitting around - that is the mechanical system that the most people will be familiar with. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking of PM motors.... your comment on magnetics reminds to me add looking at actual modern day generator design to my rainy-day list.

While I do detect some humour :) in your comments on your personal generator, I do want to ask - Is the much lighter exercise on your camping gen simply because it serves a less critical function than the facility generators, or are there technical reasons for that difference in approach ?

Rgds, D.

I guess it is more along the lines of my personal generators are all older units that sat unused in someones garage or shed for years with gas in them until I bought them at yardsales for pennies. I service equipment for a living, actually, I just run the service now days. I know the units work, drain and run the gas out when finished. Worse case is it takes me 30 minutes to get them up and running when needed. But usually never more than fill with gas, prime and start.

Maybe if I had bought them new I would pay more attention, but probably more along the lines of the old saying. Mechanic's cars are neglected, carpenter's houses are neglected. I am getting more and more complacent as the years stack up :)

And thanks, enjoying TBN. Bought a tractor, came here, started spending more money I did not know needed to be spent. :)
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #823  
started spending more money I did not know needed to be spent.
and we will all suggest lots of ways for you to do it too! ;)

one of my favorites is the Harbor Freight thread, can't always keep up with it.
There is an old saying about going broke saving money. But the quest for the very good deal
always is there. And in some cases how to get the tool we need we could never afford before.
Most importantly, on tools that work and can be depended upon.
Almost everything we discuss are tools in a way. I like the ones with four wheels and motors the best...with three garden tractors and
about a dozen motors to maintain, what I learn here is enormous.

CreekyB, lots of Texas members, hope you "meet" some. Lot of us Kubota owners.
Best thing to learn is safety and what not to do with loaders and mowers on hills.
One of our members died earlier this year crushed under a mower when his FEL hydraulics failed.
So lots of us are now being extra, extra careful when we crawl under things that can kill us.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run
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#824  
I guess it is more along the lines of my personal generators are all older units that sat unused in someones garage or shed for years with gas in them until I bought them at yardsales for pennies. I service equipment for a living, actually, I just run the service now days. I know the units work, drain and run the gas out when finished. Worse case is it takes me 30 minutes to get them up and running when needed. But usually never more than fill with gas, prime and start.

Maybe if I had bought them new I would pay more attention, but probably more along the lines of the old saying. Mechanic's cars are neglected, carpenter's houses are neglected. I am getting more and more complacent as the years stack up :)

And thanks, enjoying TBN. Bought a tractor, came here, started spending more money I did not know needed to be spent. :)

Shoemaker's children..... some serious honesty there :D , but sounds like your gens do fine.....

The general consensus is that TBN should come with a warning banner page concerning how dangerous hanging out here can be to your bank account..... there is no end of people helping spend your money !

Rgds, D.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run
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#825  
Date: July 23/16

Generator: 2kw Briggs - finally :) !

Activity: Ran for 1 hour, charging 3 batteries and running 300w flood.

Final Fueling notes: filled w. NonE gas. Red Stabil and Seafoam added already in fuel can.

Maintenance notes (Done, or Required):
Started 2'nd pull, 3/4 choke. Did an oil change with Mobil 1 EP 10W30.

Temperature: 30 deg C.

Rgds, D.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #826  
Well the 80kw Marathon Electric generator made its weekly test run today and I was down where I could see what kind of load it was getting. Runs weekly for an auto test for 15 minutes loaded then 10 minutes cool down. Always a full switch at switch gear. This week it had pretty much it's max load as everything was running early at 210 amps most of that is 240 volt motors.
 
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#827  
Well the 80kw Marathon Electric generator made its weekly test run today and I was down where I could see what kind of load it was getting. Runs weekly for an auto test for 15 minutes loaded then 10 minutes cool down. Always a full switch at switch gear. This week it had pretty much it's max load as everything was running early at 210 amps most of that is 240 volt motors.

I'd say you have my 1500w space heater beat :) ! As we've been discussing lately, always good to test the switchgear with a significant load.

Sounds like you have a big operation there farmer. What does your 80kw run on - diesel, propane, or natgas ?

Rdgs, D.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #828  
I'd say you have my 1500w space heater beat :) ! As we've been discussing lately, always good to test the switchgear with a significant load.

Sounds like you have a big operation there farmer. What does your 80kw run on - diesel, propane, or natgas ?

Rdgs, D.

That is the backup generator for my poultry operation. The Marathon Electric generator head is hooked to a 6 cylinder Cummins Diesel.
It gets run weekly under load. Loads very weekly as I can't add load just for generator. Some weeks loads are as low as 20 amps. Others are variable. But this week was about the max load it would ever see. Other than surge loads for startups. Even then the controllers stager startups of the fans to keep loads in check. Otherwise it could have to start 32 1.5hp motors at the same time. That wouldn't be good.
 
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That is the backup generator for my poultry operation. The Marathon Electric generator head is hooked to a 6 cylinder Cummins Diesel.
It gets run weekly under load. Loads very weekly as I can't add load just for generator. Some weeks loads are as low as 20 amps. Others are variable. But this week was about the max load it would ever see. Other than surge loads for startups. Even then the controllers stager startups of the fans to keep loads in check. Otherwise it could have to start 32 1.5hp motors at the same time. That wouldn't be good.

Nice setup. I haven't been inside a modern poultry barn, but I can see where those fans would be critical.

One thing I could never understand was the dairy (of all things today) farmers who got caught with no backup power in place during our big '98 Ice Storm.

Rgds, D.
 
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Nice setup. I haven't been inside a modern poultry barn, but I can see where those fans would be critical.

One thing I could never understand was the dairy (of all things today) farmers who got caught with no backup power in place during our big '98 Ice Storm.

Rgds, D.

Yes. Very critical. Even with the tunnel style barns, which have a natural draw.

Complacency. You'd be surprised at how many poultry farms were caught with unmaintained generators during our '09 ice storm. Even the maintained ones started having trouble after 2-3 weeks of 24/7 operation. Main problem was fuel filters and voltage regulators. Normally our tanks get filled and have a couple of days to settle out before being run. These were being filled while running. Everything was stirred up and just plugged filters. I keep at least one extra set of filters for this reason.
 

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