Bird
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The best thing you can do for yourself and them is to write a letter expressing how pleased you are )</font>
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Your opinion on Resturants..... Please
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wroughtn_harv
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I find your quote interesting.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You can relate this to:
Private Industry Workers (incentive) VS Government Workers (no incentive)
or
Non-Union Workers (incentive) VS Union Workers (no incentive)
When given a choice, give me a private industry, non-union company to do work for me any day!)</font>
I'm pro union. It just makes sense. I felt that way when I worked at the phone company for seven years even though I was a round peg trying like heck to fit into a square hole.
I was the young guy who was doing a six hundred pair splice in an eight hour day because I could when you were expected to do it in three. I got force realigned to a new yard and the foreman there was on me like stink on a June bug for awhile because he was sure that if I was that fast I was taking shortcuts that hurt the quality of the product. He finally admitted that I just worked harder, faster, and most importantly to me, had more fun.
Even though it didn't work for me I still believe a union serves both the company and the employee well. With it you will find a malinger getting by. But without it you will find petty management practices abusing and costing the company many more dollars than a bushel basket of malingers ever could.
Senority makes sense too. After all when it comes down to brass tacks the senior person has the most invested in the company and the company has the most invested in them. It's an acknowledgement of mutual need and appreciation.
What's interesting was at that time with that technology six hundred a day was about as good as could be done. After I left the company there were occasions when I went back as a contract splicer. I didn't work any harder but I made a lot more money and I really never got any more done in a day's work than if I'd still been an employee.
I was exposed to contract splicers who had every opportunity to make the effort and money I did but for some reason inside themselves, didn't. Just like the company employees who complained about me making everyone else look bad.
I don't think compensation is the end all. I believe some people like work and and do a good job all day long because it's a pleasure. Other people aren't so fortunate.
Unions fill a need because there seems to be this equasion that's unavoidable. A lot of people are mediocre at work. That's true of craft and management. You need something to protect the company from mediocrity in the work force. And you need something to protect the workforce from mediocrity in management. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You can relate this to:
Private Industry Workers (incentive) VS Government Workers (no incentive)
or
Non-Union Workers (incentive) VS Union Workers (no incentive)
When given a choice, give me a private industry, non-union company to do work for me any day!)</font>
I'm pro union. It just makes sense. I felt that way when I worked at the phone company for seven years even though I was a round peg trying like heck to fit into a square hole.
I was the young guy who was doing a six hundred pair splice in an eight hour day because I could when you were expected to do it in three. I got force realigned to a new yard and the foreman there was on me like stink on a June bug for awhile because he was sure that if I was that fast I was taking shortcuts that hurt the quality of the product. He finally admitted that I just worked harder, faster, and most importantly to me, had more fun.
Even though it didn't work for me I still believe a union serves both the company and the employee well. With it you will find a malinger getting by. But without it you will find petty management practices abusing and costing the company many more dollars than a bushel basket of malingers ever could.
Senority makes sense too. After all when it comes down to brass tacks the senior person has the most invested in the company and the company has the most invested in them. It's an acknowledgement of mutual need and appreciation.
What's interesting was at that time with that technology six hundred a day was about as good as could be done. After I left the company there were occasions when I went back as a contract splicer. I didn't work any harder but I made a lot more money and I really never got any more done in a day's work than if I'd still been an employee.
I was exposed to contract splicers who had every opportunity to make the effort and money I did but for some reason inside themselves, didn't. Just like the company employees who complained about me making everyone else look bad.
I don't think compensation is the end all. I believe some people like work and and do a good job all day long because it's a pleasure. Other people aren't so fortunate.
Unions fill a need because there seems to be this equasion that's unavoidable. A lot of people are mediocre at work. That's true of craft and management. You need something to protect the company from mediocrity in the work force. And you need something to protect the workforce from mediocrity in management. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Let's not stray too far on this union thing please. We all know how these union talks have gone in the past.
Bird
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm pro union )</font>
I may regret posting this, but this is one place we disagree. I'm anti-union.
My first day on the job with the Post Office was to deliver the parcel post in a very small town (Plano) and it took less than an hour for me to get through and back at the Post Office. One of the carriers asked me what I was doing back there that soon, and I thought he was kidding, but then the assistant postmaster came to quietly explain to me that delivering the parcel post was a two hour job; i.e. don't show up too soon! The first time I walked a route took less than 6 hours, and again it was explained to me that I was not to be back for 8 hours.
Then when I went to work full time for the Post Office in Dallas, I was a member of the clerk's union which provided an interesting newsletter and some other benefits, but "striking" was not an option nor even thought of by that "union's" membership; it was illegal and I don't think anyone considered violating the law (that changed in more recent times).
When I joined the police department, I became a member of the "police association" which was more of a fraternal organization (not to be confused with the current Fraternal Organization of Police) that provided an insurance policy and other minor benefits. But when they started acting like a real union was when I dropped out. By real union, I mean they decided they would pay for an attorney to represent any officer faced with disciplinary problems. In other words, to defend even those we all knew should be fired. So dues had to be increased to pay for that service. And when working for higher pay, there was talk of the "blue flu". There's no way I was going to participate in any "strike" by whatever name it might be called.
I've also seen the vandalism, sabotage, and even physical assaults committed by good "union" members, and companies have to hire extra security during strikes to prevent their own employees from destroying a business. Unbelievable!
I realize that "striking" has gotten the "working man" better wages, other benefits, etc., but I think we've also seen how it's resulted in the loss of manufacturing jobs and a decline in service in other jobs.
So, yes, the unions, at least many years ago, did a lot of good, but overall I think the harm they've done far outweighs the good.
Of course, I don't place all the blame on the unions; management has certainly made their share of mistakes, too, both in failing to treat workers fairly and in giving in to unions and agreeing to contracts which never should have been agreed to at all.
I may regret posting this, but this is one place we disagree. I'm anti-union.
My first day on the job with the Post Office was to deliver the parcel post in a very small town (Plano) and it took less than an hour for me to get through and back at the Post Office. One of the carriers asked me what I was doing back there that soon, and I thought he was kidding, but then the assistant postmaster came to quietly explain to me that delivering the parcel post was a two hour job; i.e. don't show up too soon! The first time I walked a route took less than 6 hours, and again it was explained to me that I was not to be back for 8 hours.
Then when I went to work full time for the Post Office in Dallas, I was a member of the clerk's union which provided an interesting newsletter and some other benefits, but "striking" was not an option nor even thought of by that "union's" membership; it was illegal and I don't think anyone considered violating the law (that changed in more recent times).
When I joined the police department, I became a member of the "police association" which was more of a fraternal organization (not to be confused with the current Fraternal Organization of Police) that provided an insurance policy and other minor benefits. But when they started acting like a real union was when I dropped out. By real union, I mean they decided they would pay for an attorney to represent any officer faced with disciplinary problems. In other words, to defend even those we all knew should be fired. So dues had to be increased to pay for that service. And when working for higher pay, there was talk of the "blue flu". There's no way I was going to participate in any "strike" by whatever name it might be called.
I've also seen the vandalism, sabotage, and even physical assaults committed by good "union" members, and companies have to hire extra security during strikes to prevent their own employees from destroying a business. Unbelievable!
I realize that "striking" has gotten the "working man" better wages, other benefits, etc., but I think we've also seen how it's resulted in the loss of manufacturing jobs and a decline in service in other jobs.
So, yes, the unions, at least many years ago, did a lot of good, but overall I think the harm they've done far outweighs the good.
Of course, I don't place all the blame on the unions; management has certainly made their share of mistakes, too, both in failing to treat workers fairly and in giving in to unions and agreeing to contracts which never should have been agreed to at all.
Docsknotinn
Veteran Member
The only good union situation I have ever seen personally in my life was when I worked for Disney. When you get hired you have the choice of being a union member.....Or not. Strictly up to you. The only employer I know in the USA that has employees in all of the Major unions as well as non union workers too.
lamarbur
Gold Member
This woun't set well either, however, I learned immediately to be anit-anti-union. Ford can be thanked for that. I understand overall it is the auto union but,
I use to haul military trade shows and high end computer systems, These were before PC's and computers were palletized, shrink wrapped etc. We'd have a 26 million dollar DEC 10 system that Ford waitied 3 years for. Go in a plant, open the doors and watch the arguments. I can't get a fork lift, this isn't a flat bed with steel on. Then someone would say, Oh-Oh, I see a wood pallet, it has to be a carpenter, and then an electrician and on and on. GM was almost as bad.No one would sign because of the values involved not even the office who ordered the system. I never in my life seen such a bunch of screw ups pass the buck and do absolutely nothing.A two hour delivery took 6- 8 hours and that's after a lot of yelling.. My last time at a Ford palnt, I shut the doors, pulled out, no delivery. Brought the DEC 10 system all the way back to Mass, after I had cross docked it at Beltmans so I could make all the other deliveries.. Now Chrysler was just the opposite.. What can we do to help you? Need a fork lift, hold the doors open or whatever.. The auto union may have changed a little, I'm not willing to go back and see. Been burned bad enough 74 - 80..
I use to haul military trade shows and high end computer systems, These were before PC's and computers were palletized, shrink wrapped etc. We'd have a 26 million dollar DEC 10 system that Ford waitied 3 years for. Go in a plant, open the doors and watch the arguments. I can't get a fork lift, this isn't a flat bed with steel on. Then someone would say, Oh-Oh, I see a wood pallet, it has to be a carpenter, and then an electrician and on and on. GM was almost as bad.No one would sign because of the values involved not even the office who ordered the system. I never in my life seen such a bunch of screw ups pass the buck and do absolutely nothing.A two hour delivery took 6- 8 hours and that's after a lot of yelling.. My last time at a Ford palnt, I shut the doors, pulled out, no delivery. Brought the DEC 10 system all the way back to Mass, after I had cross docked it at Beltmans so I could make all the other deliveries.. Now Chrysler was just the opposite.. What can we do to help you? Need a fork lift, hold the doors open or whatever.. The auto union may have changed a little, I'm not willing to go back and see. Been burned bad enough 74 - 80..
CTyler
Veteran Member
I have been in a couple unions and do not have a good opinion of them. I have been much better off and happier in my jobs without unions. Don't think they could give me a union job, I'll leave it at that.
I don't think it is right that waiters/waitress' recieve a sub minimum wage. There is a quazzi plus side in that they if they treat you like crap they get a 2 cent tip.
I also thought it was crap when they, whoever "they" are, decided tips should 15% instead of 10%. When is goin to be 20%?
I don't think it is right that waiters/waitress' recieve a sub minimum wage. There is a quazzi plus side in that they if they treat you like crap they get a 2 cent tip.
I also thought it was crap when they, whoever "they" are, decided tips should 15% instead of 10%. When is goin to be 20%?
Docsknotinn
Veteran Member
ahhhhh, its been 18% for quite a while and good service at any upscale restaurant is 20%, in fact it has been for the last few years /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif In nearly all hotels the service charge is 18% and most restaurants with a wait not automatically add a service charge of 18-20% on the tab for parties larger than 12. It seems there are lot of people that really enjoy knowing that others are serving them for free, Thats to say there are just as many poor customers as their are poor servers. This is why I like the system, just remember not to wet your servers corn flakes if the guy in the kitchen doesn't know what he's doing /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif That show "The Restaurant was ( LOL ) a real example of how NOT to run a restaurant or treat your staff. I'm still embarrased for boo boo the Chef. And for keith Famie who cant cook rice /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Docsknotinn
Veteran Member
The same reason physicians keep chargeing more for a office visit and cars go up 4k every year etc. The cost of living, inflation, take your pick. I'm sure you will see the 18% service charge Richard if you pick up a Room service menue in any of the upscale Casinos. 15% is fine for the regular places but if you plan on hitting Emerils, Le Toque, A Wolfgang Puck propery or Charlie Palners Ariel in the Mandalay bay, 20% is the norm for GOOD service. Its important to remember the server is not responsable for food cost, labor over head etc. Just as you are not responsible for the cost of medicine. One great thing about Places like Vegas and New Orleans is that most establishments post their menues. Its freedom of choice as to weather you spend $18 on the chicken or $65 on the stuffed Rack of lamb /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif weather you have diet coke or a Mouton Rothschild. The one Thing I see over and over art parties that really lights my fuse is the rich tight wads that sit at a table all flippin night drinking $200 bottles of wine. Then they only tip on the food or say after spending $1200 that a $100 tip is enough. Its not and its not fair. When a person does that they have cheated a person out of their wages for the day as that table would have been turned over again and other gusts would have dined and left a appropriate tip. Being a server is a tough buisiness. Just dont leave casino tokens for a gratuity /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The same is true for free drinks and comps etc. Just because a drug rep or the house has compted you that doesnt mean a tip is not appreciated for those who work well. I guess the easiest way to think of it is that your servers wages are NOT a part of the food cost.