zen-noh

ssgtibbetts · Jan 21, 2008

Greetings

I'm looking at buying a zen noy ym1610 sn#02046 from Manning Tractor Fayetteville NC
I have 3 questions. 1. According to my search here and other sites the sn# listed does not corespond to a yn1610 am I being mislead? Has 13 hrs on the meter.
2. Has anyone dealt with Mr Manning before?
3. The price is 8000$ with a FEL and Box blade, should I be running away or is this a good (rebuilt at the factory!) deal?

LMTC · Jan 21, 2008

Rebuilt at WHAT factory? There is no Zennoh factory....Zennoh is a rice/farming cooperative. Yanmar (who makes any Zennoh models starting with YM) does NOT rebuild tractors. Take several hours and search here and elsewhere for vietnam recons. Ask for references (we always send 4-6 to a prospective customer), ask to see parts books (or at least the specific part book for your model---how DO they order parts or make repairs without these? We supply all our customers a copy of this) and ask WHAT factory rebuilt it. Ask to see parts. Ask why his tractors don't have OSHA approved ROPS when they are available for most models now. Ask who makes the loader and where you will get parts if he closes up (happens all the time, owner dies, goes broke, loses interest, etc.). I went to his website....I know what they are, and so will most readers here when they look at the units.

ssgtibbetts · Jan 21, 2008

I do not beleive Mr Manning has a web site. However I ws concerned about his answer to who does the rebuild? Well non answer. He did show me a handout out showing some grainy photos of a shop somewhere with oriental appearing workers.
I guess the answer is runnnnnnnn!

dieselgeek · Jan 21, 2008

ssgtibbetts said:
I do not beleive Mr Manning has a web site. However I ws concerned about his answer to who does the rebuild? Well non answer. He did show me a handout out showing some grainy photos of a shop somewhere with oriental appearing workers.
I guess the answer is runnnnnnnn!

It's definitely not a 13 hour tractor. It really should be treated as "used" in my opinion, and a repaint should not justify resetting the hour meter.

I bought a "used" 1510D that was obviously fresh off the boat from Japan. The guy selling it wasn't trying to pass it off as rebuilt, reworked, etc. just a nice clean used tractor. I've run it enough to know that if there was anything major wrong with it, he wouldn't have seen it. I haven't found any issues yet.

Anyways, that price seems awfully steep for what it is. I'd find an importer who is representing them more honestly, perhaps some of the dealers on here. I know that Hoye has gone above and beyond the "call of duty" for me on 3-pt hitch parts, and tech support. There should be no reason to fear a grey market tractor if you know what you're getting into and spend accordingly,

-scott

11duster · Jan 21, 2008

Hey LMTC I could not find a web site either....are you sure you found the right web site or are you just blowing steam????

tallyho8 · Jan 21, 2008

11duster said:
Hey LMTC I could not find a web site either....are you sure you found the right web site or are you just blowing steam????

It's easy enough for anyone to find manningtractors.com. Manning Tractors by web bug designs
This is not an endorsement because I know nothing about them. I am just helping you find the web site.

LMTC · Jan 21, 2008

ssgtibbetts said:
I do not beleive Mr Manning has a web site. However I ws concerned about his answer to who does the rebuild? Well non answer. He did show me a handout out showing some grainy photos of a shop somewhere with oriental appearing workers.
I guess the answer is runnnnnnnn!

All I did was google the following from your post "Manning Tractor Fayetteville NC" and it came right up for me.

LMTC · Jan 21, 2008

11duster said:
Hey LMTC I could not find a web site either....are you sure you found the right web site or are you just blowing steam????

Take a look at my history of posts before even suggesting that I am blowing steam. I do not blow steam, and your lack of ability to navigate the internet does not constitute grounds to even imply such.

ssgtibbetts · Jan 21, 2008

Thanks for all the insight. I did not mean to insight discontent here. I did indeed find Mr Mannings site. Thats the fellar in the picture. Has anyone had any dealings with Manning Tractor. For being in business for 20 years I'm sure someone has.
I have not ruled out a purchase just not sure of this dealer. He is a very personable person. So I would like to give him the benifit of doubt.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Not taking anything away from
LMTC I have registered your vote of beware.

Inspector507 · Jan 21, 2008

I would use due caution when considering this tractor. Does it really have 13 hours on it? No, it doesn't, it was built many years ago. Proabaly 1979-1981 era. There is no Zen-Noh rebuilding factory. Like LMTC said, Zen-Noh is a farmers co-op in Japan. You'll find Kubotas rebadged as Zen-Noh too. Nor is there a Yanmar factory rebuilding these tractors. Reconditioning sometimes includes pieces and parts from several junk tractors put together and then painted somewhere in Viet Nam.
There are dealers importing reconditioned units and dealers importing unreconditioned ones. I've heard more horror stories on the reconditioned units than I have on the 1000+ hour original units.

You could also check out this site for a dealer that will stand behind their tractors.

kenmac · Jan 21, 2008

Why buy a tractor with a 90 day parts only warranty when you can buy one with a 6 mo. parts & labor warranty, certified ROPS, PTO safety shield, english manuals / decals, saftey start switch, etc,etc, & not reconditioned with parts from who knows where ?? How long will it take you to get parts should you need them ??

Hello inspector !

Haven't seen you round these parts in a while

LMTC · Jan 21, 2008

Ken makes a valid point. We are not in your area, and our prices are not known for being low, but you can buy a 1610D, with Koyker (a well known, made in the USA loader) loader, full UTDA safety enhancement package including OSHA approved ROPS, overrunning coupler, operation manual, clutch safety start switch, etc. AND 6 months parts AND LABOR warranty on the powertrain for that price at many places. A good box blade would add app. $450, an economy model $350. If a guy won't put labor in any warranty, I would ask whether he even provides service. Again, get references...and more references.

dieselgeek · Jan 22, 2008

kenmac said:
Why buy a tractor with a 90 day parts only warranty when you can buy one with a 6 mo. parts & labor warranty, certified ROPS, PTO safety shield, english manuals / decals, saftey start switch, etc,etc, & not reconditioned with parts from who knows where ?? How long will it take you to get parts should you need them ??

... because some of us live 800+ miles from good dealers like you guys!! the $$$ towards the warranty labor does me no good. But you make an excellent point for anyone that can have a local dealer supporting these tractors.

ssgtibbetts · Jan 22, 2008

OK Outstanding info. Another question the sn# on the tractor I was looking at is YM 1610 02046 according to the postings this number does not register with a 1610 model or am I misinformed? Is there somewhere other than the left side of the transmission by the pedal I should be looking for a number?

edjones72 · Jan 22, 2008

I bought a YM2210 about 3 months ago from Spalding Tractors just south of Atlanta. I have been nothing but thrilled with what I got. His tractors come from Fredricks Equipment in northern Alabama. Fredricks brings the tractors in and do all necessary refurbishing at their facility in Alabama. They warranty each tractor for 6 months parts and labor. Steve at Spalding Tractor adds an additional 6 months to total 12 months parts and labor. Spalding is linked from this site under dealers. If your not interested in a road trip of that length I would call Fredricks and see if anyone in your area sells their tractors. I first saw their tractors at the Sunbelt Ag Expo in Moultrie Georgia and they were far better than the ones I had seen at local dealers. The local dealers here in south Georgia could not or would not tell me who or where their tractors were refurbished. They just said "they come from a import guy in Atlanta." Hope this helps.

Eric

Gizmo36 · Jan 22, 2008

Most people around here get there's here.

Southland Equipment

LMTC · Jan 22, 2008

dieselgeek said:
... because some of us live 800+ miles from good dealers like you guys!! the $$$ towards the warranty labor does me no good. But you make an excellent point for anyone that can have a local dealer supporting these tractors.

You are right in the sense that you aren't going to bring it back to the dealer's shop for repair unless it just blows up. But consider...and this is why I always say get references...what a dealer has to offer even at a distance. More than once we have made arrangements for a mechanic to call a customer to walk them through something. Also, a reputable dealer who offers parts AND labor warranty is pretty convinced he's selling you a solid unit, so you're odds get a bit better than buying from just anyone. We have sold many units more than 300 miles away, with the farthest being a pair app 1250 miles away. Many of these folks serve as references for us, but again, you are correct in that it is smart to realize the labor part of the warranty serves only as a statement by the dealer of his faith in the unit.