What to Buy

[ScottFarm]

I don't think you cold go wrong with any of the three tractors in your area. Below are some sites on engines. John Deere site that tells you about their engines. Different sizes are built at different plants. The plant in Pune, India build most of the engines for the 50000 series tractors, which is about size range your looking at.

"John Deere Equipment Private Limited is a subsidiary of Deere & Company, USA in India.Its factory, located near Pune,manufactures 5000 Series agricultural tractors."


"While this is a significant achievement for the Waterloo factory, John Deere's worldwide engine production exceeds over 5 million, including those engines produced at four factories: Saran, France; Torreon, Mexico; Rosario, Argentina: and Pune, India." Go to your dealer and ask them to show you which plant it's made from. If this even matters to you. It may be made well, but i'd prefer a kubota or Mitsibishi diesel over one manufactured in Pune India. Just my preference...

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The short is all of these tractors are come from everywhere. Kubota seems to make manufacture more of their own product and less out sourcing. Which should make a higher quality control. Go try them out and see which one you like best. If money isn't an option, I probably would have bought the Kubota with cab, but it was 8K more. I don't think you can go wrong with the Montana though.

Hopefully, you'll be like everyone else and fall in love with the one you purchase. Just remember tractor love is second to the wife when she's around..... We guys know the truth....

Good Luck

 

[ScottFarm]

Below is a site that has some Montana information.

LS Tractors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I would get all the specs on the three tractors and compare things such as weight, engine, FEL capacity, what do they come with like: quick attach loader, hydraulic remotes on the back (you'll definatly want at least one pair).

Do you plan to resale the tractor in the next 5 years... You may want to buy Deere! We all know they sell the best... Most people seem to keep a tractor till it dies and put it in a tractor cemetary on the farm.

I've farmed 400 acres and used a 80hp, 60hp, and a 40hp, all on the same farm. The 60hp seemed to be used the most and do about all the jobs.

If you've got 30 acres and your planting it in grass, I know in this area you could easily rent that out for hayland and not even have to bush hog it yourself.

For 60 acres a 60hp would do all you need to do. Anything bigger I would think would just increase your fuel bill.

Scott

 

[johnk]

My first purchase was a chinese tractor. Since it was my first tractor I thought it was pretty nice for the price but then the problems started. I'm not knocking them I'm just saying, buy a tractor to get the work done not buy it to work on it. I think the price of buying one of the the big 3 outweighs the shortcomings from trying to save a buck. Just my opinion of course because I've owned both..I turn the key and away I go. One thing to consider when buying is down time and resale of what you bought. There are many great OTHER brands out there where you may not have a problem but when you need to sell it the asking price may not be gotten because of the brand. Dependability is number 1 for me at this point in my life.

 

[machmeter62]

I have a fleet of seven tractors, four are Kubotas, two are New Holland/Fords, and one JD. As others have stated here.....Kubotas are the most reliable for me too! The others are good tractors also, but if you stable is sometimes outdoors, or in an environment that has critters, ("RATS"); they will get into your electrical wiring for lunch, and leave you an expense.

On the NH, they ate the wiring and the computer board, also knocking out everything electrical with a two hundred dollar plus repair bill! The JD suffered just "lunching" on the wiring in the engine compartment only, but was a PITA to fix!

I have read and listened to others, stating, if you desire a cab model for your size tractor, as of a couple of years ago now; JD had a better cab and a/c than Kubota (?), with an AUX seat also for your dog, child, or even your wife to ride along? But this may have changed too?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

If money is truly not a consideration, then forget about resale, forget about what the tractor costs. All 3 of the brands that you are looking at have good machines. Sit in the seat, check out the feel of all the controls,they are not all the same, get what feels comfortable and has a natural movement for you to operate. You will find that it is much easier to get the options for your tractor at the time of purchase, so take a good look at what is available for the tractors that you are considering and get those extras now. Once you decide on a model, then let us know what it is and we can surely accessorize it for you. We are all very good at spending other peoples money.

Be sure too look at not only models on the lot, but what the dealer can order for you. In other words, don't let them push a model that is in stock on you vs a model that you would rather have, but that would need to be ordered.

Good luck

 

[GaryCrowell]

Of those you mention I'd consider only the Deere and the Kubota. Montana may sell a great tractor, I don't know, but they do not have the dealer and parts presence to make me comfortable. Tractors are very long term investments and the ability to get parts in 15 years is critical to me. Deere and Kubota will be there, Montana I don't know. I've mentioned several times on this forum that I'd only buy a tractor made by deere, kubota, case/new holland, or massey ferguson. I've been burned before with off brand equipment and don't want to be burned again.

 

[ScottFarm]

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LG Tractors was a division of LG Cable. The group of companies were formerly known as GoldStar Cable.

The tractor division began in 1975 as a part of Hyundai in cooperation with Yanmar of Japan. See GoldStar for more history.

LG had tie-ups with Mitsubishi and Fiat/New Holland, (CNH Global), and sold tractors under the LG, LG-Fiat and LG-New Holland brands.

They also built tractors for sale by LG Montana, TAFE, LongAgri and Farmtrac in North America.

In 2005, LG Cable split off from LG and became LS Cable. The tractor division became LS Tractors.

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LS Tractors is an engineering company. It is a division of LS Cable in South Korea. The group was originally part of the LG conglomeration, and was known as LG Tractors and LG Cable, respectively.

LS is associated with Mitsubishi tractors of Japan for technology, and many tractors are based on Mitsubishi designs, as well as use Mitsubishi engines. LS also imports New Holland Ag tractors to resell as LS-New Holland. (They originally had agreements with Fiat, which purchased New Holland. New Holland is a division of CNH Global).

LS currently builds tractors for Farmtrac, a division of Escorts Agri of India, for sale in North America; for Montana Tractors for sale in North America; and as of 2005, for Mahindra of India, and TAFE Tractors of India also for sale in North America.

The history of LS Tractors goes back to 1975 as a division of Hyundai, and began with cooperation with Yanmar or Japan. In 1983, the former GoldStar Cable Company acquired the company and renamed it GoldStar tractors. The company names were changed to LG in 1995.

Tractors have been sold under GoldStar, Fiat-GoldStar, LG, LG-Fiat, LG-New Holland, LS and LS-New Holland names in South Korea. In North America, they have been sold as LG Montana, Montana, Mahindra, Farmtrac LandTrac, LongAgri LandTrac, McCormick Tractors and Landini.

 

[ScottFarm]

Kubota Tractor Corporation
In 1969, Kubota began exporting its 21 horsepower L200 compact tractors to the United States. Because of the initial success in the American marketplace, the Kubota Tractor Corporation was formed in Torrance, California in 1972. Kubota also owns other similar tractor companies in many countries including Australia[1], Canada[2], France[3], Germany[4], Spain[5], and the United Kingdom[6].


[edit] Kubota Manufacturing of America
In 1988, Kubota opened its first manufacturing facility, Kubota Manufacturing of America[7], in Gainesville, GA (USA) for the production of front end loader & backhoe implements for Kubota tractors. Later, other products were added including an array of lawn and garden tractors and utility vehicles.

 

[ScottFarm]

John Deere
Main article: Deere & Company
In 2000, John Deere set up production in a joint venture with Larsen & Toubro Ltd in Sanaswadi, in a rural area near Pune, Maharashtra. It was known as L&T John Deere Private Ltd, and manufactured tractors under the L&T - John Deere name for sale in India, and under the John Deere name for worldwide sales. [8][9]

In 2005, Deere & Company acquired nearly all the remaining shares in this joint venture. The new enterprise, is known as John Deere Equipment Private Limited. The factory currently produces tractors in of 35, 40, 42, 47, 50, 55 and 70 HP capacities for domestic markets and for export to to the USA, Mexico, Turkey, North and South Africa, and South East Asia. Pune factory started to produce new 55 to 75 Hp 5003 series tractors for European market in 2008.

Tractors and Farm Equipment Limited (TAFE) was established in 1961 to manufacture and market Massey Ferguson tractors and related farm equipment in India. AGCO, the owner of Massey Ferguson, now owns 24% of TAFE. Tractors are built and sold in India under both the TAFE and Massey Ferguson brands, and exported under both brands as well. In 2005, [TAFE Tafe_tractors] bought the Eicher Motors tractor and engine division.[15][16]

In North America, TAFE tractors were available that were built in India, as well as models built by LS Tractors in South Korea.[17]

Mahindra & Mahindra has entered its 25th year of Market Leadership in India in 2008. M&M is also the only tractor company in the world to receive coveted Japan Quality Medal and Deming Prize for Quality from Japan. [11]

I'm guessing all the engineering of Kubota, Mahindra, Montana, and several other tractors can all be traced back to similar japanese technology.

 

[ScottFarm]

I was kinda suprised to see that the Mahindra tractor had higher awards that the Kubota

 

[ScottFarm]

TractorData.com - John Deere tractors sorted by year

TractorData.com - Montana tractors sorted by model

TractorData.com - Kubota tractors sorted by model

Hope this helps with your research.. I researched all three models for 3 years before I finally bought mine.

Scott

 

[IslandTractor]

I was kinda suprised to see that the Mahindra tractor had higher awards that the Kubota

The Deming award is a very prestigious quality award but it doesn't necessarily mean that the product made by the awardee is better than that made by a competitor. The award recognizes the factory, not the product. The Deming recognizes mostly quality processes in manufacturing and administration. Great award to receive for sure and it clearly shows that Mahindra is a world class organziation but it does not mean that Kubota, JD, NH, Kioti, etc etc don't produce equally good tractors.

 

[ScottFarm]

I agree, It just suprised me when I came across this information. I would have expected it to be Kubota instead of Mahindra. It's an award the companies apply for and is awarded by the japanese themselves. Has Kubota ever won this? Maybe one of the dealers know. Below is a site that tells about it.


JUSE:Union of Japanese Scientists and Engineers:The Deming Prize

 

[flusher]

I agree, It just suprised me when I came across this information. I would have expected it to be Kubota instead of Mahindra. It's an award the companies apply for and is awarded by the japanese themselves. Has Kubota ever won this? Maybe one of the dealers know. Below is a site that tells about it.


JUSE:Union of Japanese Scientists and Engineers:The Deming Prize

These quality awards are not free of charge. A company like Mahindra has to invest a lota bucks (or rupees) to get the quality of its design and manufacturing processes up to a level where it has a chance of winning. So winning one of these quality awards is also an indication of a company's willingness to compete. Many companies with equal or nearly equal quality just decide not to get involved in the competition.

 

[ScottFarm]

Found the answer...



Kubota was the first agricultural machinery manufacturing company in Japan to receive the prestigious "Deming Award," for manufacturing excellence. In 1992, Kubota Corporation received the "Sankei Newspaper Award" as part of the first Global Environment Awards, recognizing the Company痴 continuing contribution to protection of environment. (more information at Kubota)


Kubota Tractor Corporation - Company Information

JUSE:Union of Japanese Scientists and Engineers:the Deming Prize Winners

 

[pitt_md]

I don't design tractors but as a software engineer I see a lot of these kinds of awards. They don't always mean that the company makes a better widget, just that they have put processes in place to track quality control etc.

 

[ScottFarm]

If you compare a Kubota M5700 to a Montana 5740

weight *Montana 5555lbs Cab Kubota 4652 lbs Cab

Engines Montana (4cylinder Mitsibishi) Kubota 5 cylinder Kubota

Hp Montana 57hp *Kubota 61.6 hp

PTO rating Montana 52 Hp Kubota 52Hp

Length Montana *142.05" Kubota 140.6"

Width Montana 68.58" Kubota *72.8

Ground clearance Montana 15.55 inches Kubota ? Does a dealer know?

Transmission Montana 16 sync shuttle Kubota Unknown 8 forward 8 rev

I do know that the Montana sync shuttle is much nicer than the comparable Kubota gears. With the montana you can change gears like a truck on the go without stopping. I think Kubota is only sync between the two high gears. What this means is you have to stop to go change in lower gears.

I'm sure this will get lots of response from Kubota dealers.. Hope these facts help. I do like the weight and the gears better in the Montana. Although you could look at the Kubota L5740 with hydrostatic transmission.

Scott

 

[machmeter62]

I think anyone who thinks they are getting more tractor based on weight; believing the tractor is stronger is missing a major issue? The strength of the tractor is not based on the weight with Kubotas, but the quality of their metals for the castings! Remember, weight can work for or against you, depending on the use. You can always add weight if needed, but if you purchase a tractor that gets its strength with cheaper quality castings, with a lot of impurities in the metal; the end result for strength is the same. One can always add weight, which gives you the option with Kubotas. Also, with the price of fuel in the 21st Century....toting an extra 1000# around when not needed, effects the bottom line too!

 

[Harold_J]

I don't think you cold go wrong with any of the three tractors in your area...

Actually he said he has six relatively close dealers ("Mahindra, MF, Case, Kubota, and JD....and also the Montana").

Apparently everything but the Kubota, JD and Montana have been eliminated after a brief look; I was wondering possibly why? Was it the dealers or the machines themselves? The MF 5400 series ranges 60HP and up and is quite deluxe with 4-range powershift/power shuttle trans, electronic hitch control, etc. Some of the Case's like the U series can be sophisticated also, with 24-speed powershift, hydraulic diff lock. If cost were no object I would take either of these or a NH over a Montana and you could probably get a better price than equivalent JD. JD and Kubota are fine machines as well of course.

 

[Soundguy]

I think anyone who thinks they are getting more tractor based on weight; believing the tractor is stronger is missing a major issue? The strength of the tractor is not based on the weight with Kubotas, but the quality of their metals for the castings! Remember, weight can work for or against you, depending on the use. You can always add weight if needed, but if you purchase a tractor that gets its strength with cheaper quality castings, with a lot of impurities in the metal; the end result for strength is the same. One can always add weight, which gives you the option with Kubotas. Also, with the price of fuel in the 21st Century....toting an extra 1000# around when not needed, effects the bottom line too!

Some of us buyt hat heavy tractor with the weight in mind.. and need it.. and don't intend to make it lighter.

At 50-60$ per suitcase weight from my dealer.. i was glad to have all the 'cast iron' frame weight I could get when i made my tractor selections.. HP without traction is useless in a DB application. And traction with reduced weight is crippled...

soundguy