Why bombs are armed on the flight line

[mjarrels]

Marines are known to carry dirty magazines... There wives get confussed!

mark

 

[Soundguy]

Not to point fingers.. but the generic term 'gun'.. can mean a rifle or handgun.. here's what meriam-webster has to say about the term 'gun'.. definition b lays it out in black and white.....:

Main Entry: 1gun
Pronunciation: \ˈgən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gonne, gunne
Date: 14th century


1 a: a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b: a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c: a device that throws a projectile

My dad can tell stories of men who used the term GUN when referring to a rifle. I can repeat the story as well as the ditty the men had to chant while marching around holding their rifle and their gun but this is a family site. Its a wee bit funny.



Later,
Dan

 

[Farmwithjunk]

When I was in, we affectionately call the Forrestal , the USS ZIPPO.

A good friend was on the Forrestal in the 70's and 80's. He referred to it as the USS ForrestFire.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I would think there is more than one person on TBN who has had to do push ups, sprints or some other form of PE when they uttered the word "clip" instead of the proper word, magazine.

They might be a wee be sensitive to the use of the proper word.

I always used the correct word for said device that holds cartridges and thus escaped the use of PE to help the forgetful remember the proper term.

My dad can tell stories of men who used the term GUN when referring to a rifle. I can repeat the story as well as the ditty the men had to chant while marching around holding their rifle and their gun but this is a family site. Its a wee bit funny.



Later,
Dan

Yep! I learned that "ditty" back in 1965 at Ft Benning!

 

[gemini5362]

doesnt the correct term depend on the rifle you are talking about. If my memory serves me correctly the M-1 Grand has a clip

 

[BigD23]

doesnt the correct term depend on the rifle you are talking about. If my memory serves me correctly the M-1 Grand has a clip

gemini, your memory is good...A "magazine" is spring loaded....A "clip" such as used in the M1 Garand is not...Pulling that one out of my schooling at Aviation Ordnance school, Jax Fla......1968.

Don

 

[MikeD74T]

doesnt the correct term depend on the rifle you are talking about. If my memory serves me correctly the M-1 Grand has a clip

Technically, the clip is inserted into the magazine on the Garand. Both terms suffer correct and incorrect usage. MikeD74T

 

[dmccarty]

Not to point fingers.. but the generic term 'gun'.. can mean a rifle or handgun.. here's what meriam-webster has to say about the term 'gun'.. definition b lays it out in black and white.....:

Main Entry: 1gun
Pronunciation: \ˈgən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gonne, gunne
Date: 14th century


1 a: a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b: a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c: a device that throws a projectile

I don't think Marine DI's consult Merriam-Webster for THEIR definition of "gun".

Later,
Dan

 

[Podunkadunk]

Gemini,
I'm glad to know there's another out in TBN land that knows a little something-something about the best gun system ever devised! Awesome. Sounds like you know your stuff too. I had forgotten all about the fact that the ship has to turn off all RADAR when unjamming a gun. I can't remember (it's been a long, long time), but it seems that we only had to do that with HEI rounds that were jamming the gun system. I just can't remember now. I do remember that we had to send formal requests up through the chain of command that went all the way up to the skipper of the carrier for us to be able to work on the gun. Seems they didn't like being "blind" either , go figure. We'd have small windows of opportunity to get it fixed, or either we had to wait until the next night. (Seems that our HERO work always happened at night). I can neither confirm nor deny though that we've had a gun apart up on the bow of the boat, at night, when the RADAR was still running. Talk about trouble if one had cooked off. I don't even want to think of it. Man, I had forgotten all about that. But, for all those that don't know, the drum, feed chutes, etc., protect the round from HERO (hazard of electromagnetic radiation to ordnance).

Podunk

 

[Podunkadunk]

A good friend was on the Forrestal in the 70's and 80's. He referred to it as the USS ForrestFire.

He'd be right. I Rode the Forrestal, aka: "the FID", aka: "ForrestFire" back in 1987 and 1988.

FID = First in Defense. Named after the first secretary of defense.

Podunk

 

[Soundguy]

Technically, the clip is inserted into the magazine on the Garand. Both terms suffer correct and incorrect usage. MikeD74T

Yep!

Same with say.. an SKS in stock configuration.. internal fixed magazine fed with a stripepr clip.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I don't think Marine DI's consult Merriam-Webster for THEIR definition of "gun".

Later,
Dan

Well.. that's part of the problem!

soundguy

 

[Podunkadunk]

Yep!

Same with say.. an SKS in stock configuration.. internal fixed magazine fed with a stripepr clip.

soundguy

Well...yeah...kinda...

A "stripper clip" is actually slang for what is properly termed a "charger".

I know, I know, this is getting waaaay out of hand. I'll drink a nice tall glass of shut the heck up now.

Podunk

 

[dmccarty]

This is an article about the Phalanx on Military News Military History Military PHOTO VIDEO.

Surface Forces : Phalanx Gets Sharp Eyes

The website has interesting information. Much of which will never be seen on the regular media outlets. Sometimes I see stories on the major outlets but it had been on Strategy Page previous. One of the guys on the site has been writing military/history related books for years. I have been reading his stuff for a decade or more.

Anywho the link is about the hardware and software changes to the Phalanx that allows it to shoot down mortars, artillery and rockets. Its been covering the Green Zone in Bagdad for awhile. There has been a later upgrade that allows the Phalanx to take out small fast boats.

Later,
Dan

 

[Soundguy]

A "stripper clip" is actually slang for what is properly termed a "charger".

I know, I know, this is getting waaaay out of hand. I'll drink a nice tall glass of shut the heck up now.

Podunk

I'd challange you to find the word 'charger' in any number of curio / relic gun sites... May be the correct term.. but stripper clip has come into the public domain to the point that it may now also be a, defacto 'correct' term. Kinda like 'kleenex/tissue' 'rolerblades/inline skates' bush hog/bushhog.. etc.

I hang out on alotta of those sites and i bet you'd get more questions asking about/what is a charger.. vs stripper clip.

The garand was a good example though, as the clip stays internal to the mag till it is ejected on the last round.. with that nice 'cling' sound.. thus letting the enemy know you are now OOA... great design...

I've seen at least a few other guns that use a in-place ammo clip to feed their box mag, not including all the ones that use the ..ahem.. charger.. as you mention.. like broom handle mausers.. etc..steyr 1912's.. etc..

soundguy

 

[Podunkadunk]

Soundguy,
I was really just giving you a hard time, but I wasn't making the name up. You're right, stripper clip is what everyone calls it these days. I liked your analogies though, took some thought on your part. Good on ya!

I don't know about curio's and relics, but chargers have been around since 1889:

Here are some links that use the word "charger":

About mid page on this link: The Gun Zone -- Primer on Clips and Magazines

French Infantry Weapons, 1940

(WO/1989/001128) A CHARGER CLIP


Again, wasn't trying to bunch up anyone's drawers.

Podunk

 

[Soundguy]

Curio and relic covers just about anything 50ys old and older concerning firearms.. ( even NFA and antique ).

I'm not arguing with you on the term charger.. it is correct.... I'm saying it is nearly obsolete in common usage and nomenclature.

Nothing bunched up.. just that so many here seemed overwhelmingly concerned about minutia.. vs actually discussing the original topics , ( nothing like stopping a gun thread to point out the finer facts that a word was used incorrectly... IE.. derailing the conversation ) I'm not picking on you.. it happens day in and day out here... seems like so much 'starched shirt' 'school' talk going on... and not enough greasy-hands kicked back working with tractors talk...

soundguy

 

[Podunkadunk]

Amen brother. I've heard enough starched shirts on here myself. Sometimes I think I don't fit in here. I hardly post up tractor stuff anymore, when I do have a question, it gets answered quickly, so I guess that alone pays for my time here. I spend most of my time these days over on a couple of shooters forums.

Maybe I should post up a video of me shooting off my tractor, of course with the ROPS up and safety belt on, then put it in the safety section. That's a great idea. hmmmm.

Podunk

 

[BigD23]

Amen brother. I've heard enough starched shirts on here myself. Sometimes I think I don't fit in here. I hardly post up tractor stuff anymore, when I do have a question, it gets answered quickly, so I guess that alone pays for my time here. I spend most of my time these days over on a couple of shooters forums.

Maybe I should post up a video of me shooting off my tractor, of course with the ROPS up and safety belt on, then put it in the safety section. That's a great idea. hmmmm.

Podunk

Lock and Load!

Don

 

[Soundguy]

Sometimes I think I don't fit in here. I hardly post up tractor stuff anymore, when I do have a question, it gets answered quickly, so I guess that alone pays for my time here. I spend most of my time these days over on a couple of shooters forums.

I spend most of my time on rusty old tractor sites!

Maybe I should post up a video of me shooting off my tractor, of course with the ROPS up and safety belt on, then put it in the safety section. That's a great idea. hmmmm.

Podunk

And here I thought I was the only one that does that..

soundguy