Hose crimps

[BlacknTan]

I bought generic fittings for hose crimps. I now find that the folks that make up the hoses will only guarantee a fluid tight connection with the equipment they carry... Parker, Weatherhead, Aeroquip etc...with the hose they carry that is matching.. Apparently the crimping machine has settings and specific dimensions that must be met after crimping to insure leak free seals.

How have the folks that have bought fittings from online suppliers such as Discount Hydraulic Hose or others dealt with this problem?

 

[DieselPower]

Most fittings are made to be used with a specific set of crimping dies. If the shop does not have the correct dies or the hose that should be used with those fittings I probably wouldn't guarantee it either.

 

[kennyd]

I bought generic fittings for hose crimps. I now find that the folks that make up the hoses will only guarantee a fluid tight connection with the equipment they carry... Parker, Weatherhead, Aeroquip etc...with the hose they carry that is matching.. Apparently the crimping machine has settings and specific dimensions that must be met after crimping to insure leak free seals.

How have the folks that have bought fittings from online suppliers such as Discount Hydraulic Hose or others dealt with this problem?

Any REPUTABLE shop will not crimp mis-matched parts together for both safety, reliability, and liability reasons.

 

[jdfire]

I'm in the process of installing rear remotes and purchased all my fittings from Discount Hydraulics. I'm giving the resusable fittings a try so I can make up the hoses as I need them.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I own a hose shop. Not only would I not guarantee it, I wouldn't crimp it either. Do you bring eggs to a diner and ask them to cook them for you? If you want to save money, buy a hose crimper and crimp them yourself.
Now the big thing is the safety factor. Everybody makes a 100R2 hose which all have identical specs. However, there are huge differences between the inner and outer covers. You can crimp one brand on another successfully. And, you can crimp one brand on another and have the hose pull out of the crimp and kill you.
I may take some flack for this but I don't care. You try owning a business and have someone buy something somewhere else and ask you to make the final product on your thousands of dollars of equipment then when something goes wrong he wants to sue you for everything you have. And of course, because you really didn't do anything but crimp it, they don't think they should have to pay you a nickel for anything.
You can buy off the internet all you want. Where you gonna go when you have a problem? They employ phone temps for 8 bucks an hour. Try getting someone after 5 pm. Now try a Saturday? Ha! This is a big reason I have slowed down on posting here. Sure, there are a lot of hose shops out there that rip people off, but please don't paint with such a broad brush. Sorry for my rant but I have spent hundreds of hours giving advice here. Notice the only time you see the DHH guy is when he is giving his own company a shameless plug. I will put my knowledge and product quality against any internet hose seller out there. In business, you have 3 qualities. Speed, price, and quality. You can only have 2 of the three, this is a fact. You make the choice.
Andy

 

[DieselPower]

Good post Wayne and I'll take quality first when I can. I have seen what happens when the wrong end is put on the wrong hose, it's usually a messy end.

 

[BlacknTan]

I own a hose shop. Not only would I not guarantee it, I wouldn't crimp it either. Do you bring eggs to a diner and ask them to cook them for you? If you want to save money, buy a hose crimper and crimp them yourself.
Now the big thing is the safety factor. Everybody makes a 100R2 hose which all have identical specs. However, there are huge differences between the inner and outer covers. You can crimp one brand on another successfully. And, you can crimp one brand on another and have the hose pull out of the crimp and kill you.
I may take some flack for this but I don't care. You try owning a business and have someone buy something somewhere else and ask you to make the final product on your thousands of dollars of equipment then when something goes wrong he wants to sue you for everything you have. And of course, because you really didn't do anything but crimp it, they don't think they should have to pay you a nickel for anything.
You can buy off the internet all you want. Where you gonna go when you have a problem? They employ phone temps for 8 bucks an hour. Try getting someone after 5 pm. Now try a Saturday? Ha! This is a big reason I have slowed down on posting here. Sure, there are a lot of hose shops out there that rip people off, but please don't paint with such a broad brush. Sorry for my rant but I have spent hundreds of hours giving advice here. Notice the only time you see the DHH guy is when he is giving his own company a shameless plug. I will put my knowledge and product quality against any internet hose seller out there. In business, you have 3 qualities. Speed, price, and quality. You can only have 2 of the three, this is a fact. You make the choice.
Andy

All points well taken...

I'm a "hydraulic neophyte"... I thought by all the posts I read that I was doing the right thing. It seemed everyone, or many, were buying from DHH. I've seen thje recommendation many times here.
In my case, it wasn't the fact that I was saving money or convenience. I could peruse pictures of all the fittings I could possibly need, and end up with a clean looking install. I would never have access to the local hydraulic shop's "back room" to learn all about fittings.
So, live and learn! I know now much more than I did before... I guess the education was worth the price of a few fittings that I now will not use. I support local businesses as much as I possibly can. I also believe they stock better quality than much of what is on the internet. So, now that I know my layout, and what exactly it is that I need, a local hydraulics shop will make up my hoses with their hose, their fittings and on their machinery, utilizing their expertise!
Not a terribly expensive lesson I suppose! Education that's of any value always costs something..

As I said, live and learn! If I knew then what I know now, I would have done things differently...

And BTW.. This is not a slam on DHH or any other online supplier. The mistakes I made were completely my own!

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I may have been a bit harsh. I do apologize if anyone takes it that way.

You probably do have access to the hose shop's back room. Just ask! Countless times I have let people wander around and see what is on the shelves. I like taking the time to show people what is available. It's good business. It leads to future sales.

What many people do with DHH and the other internet shops is buy non-crimp fittings, pre-made hoses, or reusable hose ends and bulk hose. If you don't have a decent hose shop around or one that just wants to steal your money, I have no problem with buying off the internet. But just remember, we all have to eat. You also may be involved in a business that loses out to cheap inferior imports.

Also, Thanks Dieselpower. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Andy

 

[BlacknTan]

I may have been a bit harsh. I do apologize if anyone takes it that way.

You probably do have access to the hose shop's back room. Just ask! Countless times I have let people wander around and see what is on the shelves. I like taking the time to show people what is available. It's good business. It leads to future sales.

What many people do with DHH and the other internet shops is buy non-crimp fittings, pre-made hoses, or reusable hose ends and bulk hose. If you don't have a decent hose shop around or one that just wants to steal your money, I have no problem with buying off the internet. But just remember, we all have to eat. You also may be involved in a business that loses out to cheap inferior imports.

Also, Thanks Dieselpower. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Andy

Not harsh, real world.. I can take that when I'm wrong.

This was my fault entirely. I could have bought complete hoses off the internet and would have been OK.. I just was not aware..
In a way, it worked out well. I'll end up with quality American hose and fittings... The way I always want things.. And done by a local business.

All's well that ends well... I got an education!

 

[Eric_Phillips]

BlacknTan,
You might be able to talk with DHH to work something out with the fittings you bought. They do make custom hose assemblies for $10-$12 over the cost of the materials. When I started my first hydraulic project this spring I took Andy's advice and sought out a local hydraulic store. They were very pleasant and helpful which I am willing to pay some money for. Their prices for fittings were competitive with what I could do online but when it came to hose and hose ends they were about 3x the cost for materials and they charged a crimping fee. For one off need in a hurry hose I could afford that but for adding new remotes I need something a little cheaper. Also know that just because you can't see the back room doesn't mean you can't ask for what you want. I wanted R16 hose and my local shop said they only stock R2 but they were willing to order the hose it just wasn't going to happen that day like they can do with R2 hose. I also believe there is every fitting combination out there. From looking at several catalogs and online stores it seems like everything imaginable is made your just need to find a supplier that carries it. So just because you don't see it on a shelf I would still ask to see if it can be had.