A BX just isn't a B. You have to try it to know the difference.

[LBrown59]

If you go to the JD web page for the X748 and click compare, you'll find that JD does market the X7XX against SCUTs--you can compare it to the Legacy XL and SCUTs from CC, Kubota, & CNH.

After reading the link about ROPS on ag tractors, I don't think it's the hp so much as the fact that the 3pt and pto are standard on the BX that makes it meet the legal definition of a utility type tractor. I base that on the phrase concerning the ability to pull or power agricultural equipment.

The Legacy xl is a garden tractor just like a x7xxx is.

 

[LBrown59]

Not Lee but,
Interesting, the BX1500 requires a ROPS & safety belt and is only 15hp, while the X749 has a liquid cooled 24hp gasser and doesn't require a ROPS or safety belt
Another interesting note is that JD specs the X7XX series under "Riding mowers" and not "Utility Tractors" as the SCUTs are.

One can purchase a new BX2360 w/the 3PH & rear PTO std but an X749 w/the optional 3PH & rear PTO will cost more and doesn't have the safety equpment altho it's over 20 hp, hummmm......

Oooopp's, looks like a hijack, but it is an interesting diversion

Odd indeed

If you go to the JD web page for the X748 and click compare, you'll find that JD does market the X7XX against SCUTs--you can compare it to the Legacy XL and SCUTs from CC, Kubota, & CNH.

After reading the link about ROPS on ag tractors, I don't think it's the hp so much as the fact that the 3pt and pto are standard on the BX that makes it meet the legal definition of a utility type tractor. I base that on the phrase concerning the ability to pull or power agricultural equipment.

 

[timswi]

LOL Tim...Hey, how do you like that RTV500?

I like it, trying to get other opinions. Either there aren't many owners of these things or the sold thm all to mimes.

Here's that thread : http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/atvs-utility-vehicles/147683-rtv500-owners.html

In the meantime, I feel so inferior to the B guys that I am trying to figure out if I can put a 54" MMM on a M100X.

Tim

 

[timswi]

If this refers to my statement about SCUTs being overgrown GTs, then it's way out of context. I looked at BXs before I bought my GT. When I looked at it and sat on it, it reminded me of a JD X748, but with ROPS. The biggest differences were the hydraulics and the BX being a much better value. I won't go so far as to say that SCUTs will kill the premium large GT market (X700s, Legacy XL), but a significant # of buyers opt for a SCUT when they realize that a mower like a Legacy XL or JD X700 with awd, diesel, 3 pt, pto, fel, is thousands of dollars more than a comparable BX. In fact, a basic BX w/ MMM is not too much higher priced than a JD X540 and is a much more capable machine if anything more than cutting grass is desired. SCUTs meet their market segment perfectly, and it's the same segment of "estate" owners, hobby farmers, and gardeners that was targeted by JD 420/430 GTs 20-25 yrs ago. They can also be very handy on larger operations when a machine is needed to routinely work in tight spaces--there are others that may do it better, but few/none are available at the price that offer the same versatility.

Context noted, and I agree with you.

 

[LBrown59]

They are marketing it against their own SCUTs too, but they couldn't give the entire market to other manufacturers. I'm a bit surprised they haven't taken the Kubota approach and focused on their SCUTs and neglected GTs above the X500 series.
I can't remember the last time I visited a Kubota dealer and saw a G series in stock--they have Ts, GRs, and then BXs.
* I'll be amazed if Kubota doesn't drop the G series at whatever point they consider it aged out. I'd like to see the sales charts, but I expect Kubota sells far more BXs than G series and JD likely sells significantly more 2305s than X700 series GTs.
Are the 3pt and pto installed on X700s at the factory? I'm betting not--probably dealer installed. On JD's "build your own" site, the 3 pt and pto are listed as accessories, along with things like wheel wts and grille guards. Probably if installed at the factory it would require ROPS to go with the 3pt and pto (IDK for a fact so if anyone does, chime in and set the record straight).

*My local Kuboto Dealer don't stock them because in his words the BX 1850 is a better deal for the money.

I really don't know the "legal" definition, but it has consequences.
When I bought my John Deere 2305 I did not have to pay sales taxes as it was classified for farm use, but when I bought my BX2660 a few months later, I was told it did not qualify even though I was going to use them both for the same purposes just on different farms. When you figure in sales taxes, you might be able to get more tractor for the same money depending on your needs.

Something wrong with this picture.
Brand has nothing to do with it.

 

[Volfandt]

Originally Posted by TripleR
I really don't know the "legal" definition, but it has consequences.
When I bought my John Deere 2305 I did not have to pay sales taxes as it was classified for farm use, but when I bought my BX2660 a few months later, I was told it did not qualify even though I was going to use them both for the same purposes just on different farms. When you figure in sales taxes, you might be able to get more tractor for the same money depending on your needs.

Originally Posted by LBrown59
Something wrong with this picture.
Brand has nothing to do with it.

Agree LB,
Back in 04 when I purchased my BX23 my property size and use fit the Ag profile so I didn't have to pay sales taxes. Now inorder to qualify one has to present a tax exempt certificate but I'm not sure if it's state or federally issued. I'd say other states besides TN require this now also and this is probably the reasoning for TripleR's situation.....

 

[TripleR]

Originally Posted by TripleR
I really don't know the "legal" definition, but it has consequences.
When I bought my John Deere 2305 I did not have to pay sales taxes as it was classified for farm use, but when I bought my BX2660 a few months later, I was told it did not qualify even though I was going to use them both for the same purposes just on different farms. When you figure in sales taxes, you might be able to get more tractor for the same money depending on your needs.

Something wrong with this picture.
Brand has nothing to do with it.
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Tractors
2003 Kubota BX1500/2004 Kubota Bx23/New- Kubota BX1500
Attachments
60'' Front Blade/48'' Rear Tiller/FEL/Back Hoe /
60'' MMM/Clamp on Forks/48'' MMM
South of Canton Ohio

It had nothing to do with brand, I was told the John Deere was classified as a "tractor" and the BX was not. The B series would have qualified also. When I asked why, no one really knew why; just the way the state viewed them.

Since I have found out I don't own a "real tractor", I only use it at night.

 

[dodge man]

Kubota stopped making the G2160 this year, at least they don't list it in the brochure anymore. I looked at a used G2160 before I bought my BX. It was useless on hills. It was just to heavy and didn't have enough traction. It was a great mower though. I also was looking at the bigger JD garden tractors with a diesel and 4 wheel drive, and it did cost as much or more than a BX, and thats not adding the 3 point or pto to the JD. I'm pretty sure a JD SCUT would be less than there larger GT's.

I think like so many other things, there is not a line in the sand where something is tractor, a SCUT, CUT, or a GT, or a riding mower. It is really all just shades of gray.

 

[LBrown59]

Something wrong with this picture.
Brand has nothing to do with it.
__________________
Tractors
2003 Kubota BX1500/2004 Kubota Bx23/New- Kubota BX1500
Attachments
60'' Front Blade/48'' Rear Tiller/FEL/Back Hoe /
60'' MMM/Clamp on Forks/48'' MMM
South of Canton Ohio

It had nothing to do with brand,
1*I was told the John Deere was classified as a "tractor" and the BX was not.
2*just the way the state viewed them.
Since I have found out I don't own a "real tractor", I only use it at night.

1* and 2* What a clever way to show favoritism and tilt the playing field?

Kubota stopped making the G2160 this year, at least they don't list it in the brochure anymore. I looked at a used G2160 before I bought my BX. It was useless on hills. It was just to heavy and didn't have enough traction. It was a great mower though. I also was looking at the bigger JD garden tractors with a diesel and 4 wheel drive, and it did cost as much or more than a BX, and thats not adding the 3 point or pto to the JD.
* I'm pretty sure a JD SCUT would be less than there larger GT's.

* Usually how it pans out.

 

[TripleR]

LEBrown59,

I don't think it had anything to do with the brand as the dealer told me a B Series Kubota was classified as a "tractor" also. After a lot of research, I decided a B Series was not right for me, so I went with a BX and love it.

Since I have other tractors up to an 80 hp with FEL's and access to even bigger ones, the little bit of difference between the BX and B were unimportant and I just liked the BX better. I also like the BX a lot better than the John Deere 2305.