A BX just isn't a B. You have to try it to know the difference.

[rdsaustintx]

I've seen that asked before.
What I haven'r seen is the answer.

Short answer is > 20HP.

Roll-over protective structures (ROPS) for tractors used in agricultural operations. - 1928.51

Feel free to split hairs, Lee. Up to 24 months, anyway...

 

[jas67]

...and you're wrong

Don't remember the uploader, but he was loading the GT in a pickup. There is a strap to hold it level.

I didn't see the strap in the photo. It just looks physically impossible to hold it by its back wheels, and have it stay horizontal. I know that the FEL on the BX can pick up many small LT's (lawn tractors), which often weigh less than 600 lbs.

Of course, an M-series, and even some L-series could pick up a BX with a set of forks on the FEL.

 

[Volfandt]

Short answer is > 20HP.

Roll-over protective structures (ROPS) for tractors used in agricultural operations. - 1928.51

Feel free to split hairs, Lee. Up to 24 months, anyway...

Not Lee but,
Interesting, the BX1500 requires a ROPS & safety belt and is only 15hp, while the X749 has a liquid cooled 24hp gasser and doesn't require a ROPS or safety belt
Another interesting note is that JD specs the X7XX series under "Riding mowers" and not "Utility Tractors" as the SCUTs are.

One can purchase a new BX2360 w/the 3PH & rear PTO std but an X749 w/the optional 3PH & rear PTO will cost more and doesn't have the safety equpment altho it's over 20 hp, hummmm......

Oooopp's, looks like a hijack, but it is an interesting diversion

 

[Baucom]

Then one has to wonder why JD released the 2210/2305 SCUT's when they could have just as easily marketed the X7XX against the SCUT competition. Has to be more to it than listed capacities......

If you go to the JD web page for the X748 and click compare, you'll find that JD does market the X7XX against SCUTs--you can compare it to the Legacy XL and SCUTs from CC, Kubota, & CNH.

After reading the link about ROPS on ag tractors, I don't think it's the hp so much as the fact that the 3pt and pto are standard on the BX that makes it meet the legal definition of a utility type tractor. I base that on the phrase concerning the ability to pull or power agricultural equipment.

 

[rdsaustintx]

I know that the FEL on the BX can pick up many small LT's (lawn tractors), which often weigh less than 600 lbs.

Yeah, I know it too. Seen photos. LOL.

Of course, an M-series, and even some L-series could pick up a BX with a set of forks on the FEL.

My BX will fit inside my neighbor's Ford 555 bucket. What does this prove??

 

[Volfandt]

If you go to the JD web page for the X748 and click compare, you'll find that JD does market the X7XX against SCUTs--you can compare it to the Legacy XL and SCUTs from CC, Kubota, & CNH.

After reading the link about ROPS on ag tractors, I don't think it's the hp so much as the fact that the 3pt and pto are standard on the BX that makes it meet the legal definition of a utility type tractor. I base that on the phrase concerning the ability to pull or power agricultural equipment.

Can't disagree with that but, theres always a butt
Shouldn't JD then require a ROPS and seat belt when the optional rear PTO & 3PH are purchased?

Also, since JD's markets the X7XX against the SCUT's of other manuf's, aren't they in effect marketing it against their own SCUT's too?

And yet another question, whats cheaper, an X748 w/optional rear PTO and 3PH or a JD2305?
(we've already established a comparable Kubota SCUT costs less)

 

[Baucom]

They are marketing it against their own SCUTs too, but they couldn't give the entire market to other manufacturers. I'm a bit surprised they haven't taken the Kubota approach and focused on their SCUTs and neglected GTs above the X500 series. I can't remember the last time I visited a Kubota dealer and saw a G series in stock--they have Ts, GRs, and then BXs. I'll be amazed if Kubota doesn't drop the G series at whatever point they consider it aged out. I'd like to see the sales charts, but I expect Kubota sells far more BXs than G series and JD likely sells significantly more 2305s than X700 series GTs.

Are the 3pt and pto installed on X700s at the factory? I'm betting not--probably dealer installed. On JD's "build your own" site, the 3 pt and pto are listed as accessories, along with things like wheel wts and grille guards. Probably if installed at the factory it would require ROPS to go with the 3pt and pto (IDK for a fact so if anyone does, chime in and set the record straight).

 

[jas67]

I can't remember the last time I visited a Kubota dealer and saw a G series in stock--they have Ts, GRs, and then BXs. I'll be amazed if Kubota doesn't drop the G series at whatever point they consider it aged out. I'd like to see the sales charts, but I expect Kubota sells far more BXs than G series and JD likely sells significantly more 2305s than X700 series GTs.
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Keller Bros Kubota in Shaefferstown, PA had a G2160 in the showroom last time I was there (along side a GR2110). The G2160 does seem redundant, to say a BX1860 (and has less capability and features). I don't know if the G2160 has available 4WS or not, but my G1800-S has 4WS, which makes it much suitable for my mowing property than a BX. The GR2110 would also be good for mowing my property -- again because of the tight turning capability. The GR2110 is also AWD, which would make it better for my hills than either the G2160 or my G1800-S.

If 4WS isn't available on the G2160, then it does seem silly to keep it around. Also, I don't know what the available PTO on the G2160 is like, but on its predecessor, the G1800/G1900/G2000, it was a proprietary 2000 RPM PTO, requiring proprietary implements. If you want to run PTO equipment, the BX is much better in that regard. JD got that one right with the 425/445/455, and also the X700 (and I assume X500, if they have an available PTO), as they used the standard 6-spline 540 RPM PTO.

As for the ROPS on GT's, JD integrates a ROPs in to the FEL for the X-series. A co-working of mine has an X585 with the JD FEL on it, and it has two square tubes sticking up in the air that serve as a ROPS. Of course, the fool cut them off so that he could fit it into his enclosed trailers. He's already had one close call with nearly tipping it over.

This particular X-series owner chose it over the JD's SCUT (I think 2205 at the time), because it had cruise control, and other "creature comforts" that the 2205 didn't have. It actually cost more than a 2205, and had less (PTO is standard on the 2205). It is also a gasser, where the 2205 is diesel. I don't understand while anyone would go X-series over the JD SCUT (or G-series vs BX), except to get features that aren't available in the SCUT (the X500 and X700 series both have models with 4WS).

All these compromises are reasons that I have a G-series for mowing, and a B-series for everything else.

 

[TripleR]

I really don't know the "legal" definition, but it has consequences. When I bought my John Deere 2305 I did not have to pay sales taxes as it was classified for farm use, but when I bought my BX2660 a few months later, I was told it did not qualify even though I was going to use them both for the same purposes just on different farms. When you figure in sales taxes, you might be able to get more tractor for the same money depending on your needs.

 

[mswlogo]

B2320:

wt.--1433 (DT), 1477 (HSD)
3pt. lift--1058 @ 24" behind balls
tires--(f) 6-12 (r) 9.5-16
G.C.--12.0"
Hydraulic flow--8.3 gpm

And oddly enough the DT lift is 1300lbs

And they show two different weights for the DT tractor 1344lbs (under teh B2320 DTN column and 1443lbs (under the B2320 HST Column with a weight for (DT)).

But if 1334lb is correct it can nearly lift 100% of it's weight.
But if 1443lb is correct it can nearly lift 90% of it's weight.