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   / Increased Ethanol % #51  
I see, all the reports that disagree with your preferred view are biased and wrong.

OK, post a link to an unbiased report that was made by a credible source, not biased by affiliation. I'd love to see all the others proven wrong. I have read extensively on the topic, seen pros and cons of various ilk but never a credible study showing a significant gain, even accounting for the value of the animal feed. Maybe there is one that somehow has remained elusive and not well known. Just post a link and all us naysayers will be set straight. I promise not to put down the study or its source out of hand with no credible counter evidence and will not tack on any ROLL EYES ROLL EYES ROLL EYES.

Pat

Kinda touchy eh?

You claim to have all the info. You post one of these many "credible" studies.

I never said that there was an "unbiased" study, that was kind of my point, they are all biased in one direction or the other.

I will not right off an entire industry because I read some study that contains fuzzy math.
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #53  
Reading this discussion, it's pretty obvious that the issue will never be settled. That's the way it goes with political discussions, they are never settled because they are based on feelings, not fact. And that's the bottom line, ethanol is political, not scientific or economic.
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #54  
ethanol is political, not scientific or economic.

ethanol is a chemical, it has no politics... I do know there are those that would like to make all things political, but that only works if you choose to follow along and become part of the 'political problem'. Exact same thing with biodiesel.
...ethanol IS scientific AND economic. KennyV
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #55  
Just over a century ago this same discussion was had over whale oil for lamps, vs petroleum oil... the problem is no one in control of distributing ever wants to do anything differently until they are forced to change. KennyV
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #56  
Reading this discussion, it's pretty obvious that the issue will never be settled. That's the way it goes with political discussions, they are never settled because they are based on feelings, not fact. And that's the bottom line, ethanol is political, not scientific or economic.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and so far here in the USA the right to express it. Equal right to expression, however, does not lend equal validity to ideas expressed.

When the overwhelming scientific and economic evidence supports a given premise then we have to ask ourselves... Who is out of step, little Johnny or the Army.

I truly wish that corn to ethanol was saving the planet, was really GREEN, and was the best deal available since man began to walk upright. However I have no horse in the race. I have very little income from the oil industry (about a hundred $ a year), no income from raising corn, and no large direct effect on my income due to the current operations of the ethanol cabal.

We do suffer indirect effects due to the ethanol cabal. We pay for the myth through taxes. The planet (our only currently viable home) suffers more than if truly green processes (cellulosic butanol or ...) were funded such that the processes were commercialized and brought on-line.

I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist but it is fairly obvious that there is a de facto conspiracy in place and operating in corn to ethanol. It does not serve the best interests of the planet or its inhabitants.

Being anti-ethanol does not make one a Ludite, but on the contrary, if you want to replace corn to ethanol with a better more Earth friendly process that places you on the leading edge of change and modernization and not a reasonable target for comparisons to those of the whale oil persuasion decrying the new fangled petroleum based lamp oils. Quite the reverse is the actual case.

Pat
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #57  
When the overwhelming scientific and economic evidence supports a given premise then we have to ask ourselves... Who is out of step, little Johnny or the Army.

Please bring some of this "overwhelming scientific and economic evidence" to light.

I truly wish that corn to ethanol was saving the planet, was really GREEN, and was the best deal available since man began to walk upright. However I have no horse in the race. I have very little income from the oil industry (about a hundred $ a year), no income from raising corn, and no large direct effect on my income due to the current operations of the ethanol cabal.

I think you do have a horse in this race.

We do suffer indirect effects due to the ethanol cabal. We pay for the myth through taxes. The planet (our only currently viable home) suffers more than if truly green processes (cellulosic butanol or ...) were funded such that the processes were commercialized and brought on-line.

If cellulosic butanol is so great start making it. If it could be done profitably wouldn't it already be done?

There is nothing stopping a competing source of ethanol or other fuel.

I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist but it is fairly obvious that there is a de facto conspiracy in place and operating in corn to ethanol. It does not serve the best interests of the planet or its inhabitants.

Prove it.

Being anti-ethanol does not make one a Ludite, but on the contrary, if you want to replace corn to ethanol with a better more Earth friendly process that places you on the leading edge of change and modernization and not a reasonable target for comparisons to those of the whale oil persuasion decrying the new fangled petroleum based lamp oils. Quite the reverse is the actual case.

Pat

If you have information that proves your theories I would love to read it.
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #58  
Please bring some of this "overwhelming scientific and economic evidence" to light.



I think you do have a horse in this race.



If cellulosic butanol is so great start making it. If it could be done profitably wouldn't it already be done?

There is nothing stopping a competing source of ethanol or other fuel.



Prove it.



If you have information that proves your theories I would love to read it.

Just one word and it isn't plastic. Google.

I have no corner on the information market. Also I am not motivated to PROVE anything to anyone who isn't interested sufficiently to read the available information from reasonably reliable sources.

Anyone can be a naysayer and demand that everyone bring them evidence so they can claim it to be biased, or flawed or whatever, anything except convincing to them. I'm done. If you chose to believe whatever, then good for you. I'm happy for you. Apparently your mind is made up and you don't want to be confused by any contrary facts. Fine by me if you are happy but under informed. It isn't as if I will be effected one way or the other. Google isn't all that hard to use if you have a change of heart.

Have a blissful day.

Pat
 
   / Increased Ethanol % #59  
Just one word and it isn't plastic. Google.

I have no corner on the information market. Also I am not motivated to PROVE anything to anyone who isn't interested sufficiently to read the available information from reasonably reliable sources.

Anyone can be a naysayer and demand that everyone bring them evidence so they can claim it to be biased, or flawed or whatever, anything except convincing to them. I'm done. If you chose to believe whatever, then good for you. I'm happy for you. Apparently your mind is made up and you don't want to be confused by any contrary facts. Fine by me if you are happy but under informed. It isn't as if I will be effected one way or the other. Google isn't all that hard to use if you have a change of heart.

Have a blissful day.

Pat

I agree. I no longer post links to websites or copy studies, because it takes me an hour or so to generate the information for someone to dismiss it in a half a second. I have read alot on "alternate fuels" and after doing so, I sunk my own money into a specific form of biodiesel production (not soy). It is funny how one "preferred" alternate fuel was given a windfall of incentives and another was not. When you follow the bills and legislation it became all to clear why. I can vividly remember George W. giving a little speech to the ag community (not to be read real farmers) and they clapped for some time when he said he backed ethanol over other forms. Oh well.

For those of you who really want to learn what has recently transpired in america and overseas, read biodiesel magazine, renderer magazine, and the ethanol websites/magazines. read the subisidies in the legislation (us), and read about the inacted tariffs through the EU and other countries. Someone definetly backed one horse over another, and it wasn't based on cost efficiency. Once again, I am a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
 

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