PTO Generator?

   / PTO Generator? #51  
I understand that your statements are based on sound principles, but you also have to admit that there are some very real differences between central Florida and central Canada. I agree that 100% coverage is likely unneccessary, but colder climates are going need quite a bit more than 10%.

ok.. so mod the #'s a bit.. 50/50 is still reasonable.. heck.. 60/40.. 70/30.. it still gives you a couple hours a day to go push out a driveway or drag a tree off the driveway.. or split some wood.. or drag a tree in from the driveway to split some wood.. etc.. etc.

even during hurricane-fest 04/05 where florida got hit by 4-5 storms at a pop.. I never had 2 tractors going at a time.. just one.. running the genny.. then.. it was so easy to just unhooke the pto shaft and use that tractor to do cleanup, vs walking all the way out to the barn to grab another tractor for cleanup... etc.

soundguy
 
   / PTO Generator? #52  
Its a quick simple question for me, which can i do cheaper.. I can get a 7500 watt unit, with engine and electric start for 600 bucks, plus get the transfer switch for another 300..

The cheapest PTO generator i can find is 920, plus shipping.. And it ties up my tractor. This is for brand new for both.. If you can find a used one for a good price then go for it, but make more sense to me to get the portable generator.

Plus if your parents / freind / cabins power is out you can bring with you easy enough.

Just my two sense..
 
   / PTO Generator? #53  
I'll throw out another option, although not a very good one. I have an invertor that I can hook up to my car, truck, tractor battery. Its only 750watts, but its enough to power my daughters fish aquarimum and the blower on my fireplace. It will also power up the T.V. and VCR so we can watch movies. It won't power very much stuff, but it was cheap, less than $100.
 
   / PTO Generator? #54  
ok.. so mod the #'s a bit.. 50/50 is still reasonable.. heck.. 60/40.. 70/30.. it still gives you a couple hours a day to go push out a driveway or drag a tree off the driveway.. or split some wood.. or drag a tree in from the driveway to split some wood.. etc.. etc.

even during hurricane-fest 04/05 where florida got hit by 4-5 storms at a pop.. I never had 2 tractors going at a time.. just one.. running the genny.. then.. it was so easy to just unhooke the pto shaft and use that tractor to do cleanup, vs walking all the way out to the barn to grab another tractor for cleanup... etc.

soundguy
Having been thru the hurricane fests here since 62, a generator is needed. Does it need to run 24/7? No. Does it have to run the entire house? No. Does it need to run the A/C all the time? No. Does it need to be able to run the water pump, tv, lights, bathroom exhaust fans, Microwave, water heater? Yes. But not all at the same time. When you run on generator power for 5 full weeks, you soon learn what you don't need so you can have the power for what you do need. Fuel was a problem after Andrew but not for long. And now even less as gas stations are required, as are food stores, to have backup generators. Fuel with a gas burning generator can run you 10 gallons for every 5 hours with a 10K unit.
 
   / PTO Generator? #55  
yep.. when you are without power for weeks, as was in the last florida storms, and fuel was hard to find.. you didn't power up your whole house 24/7.. you only powered up 'must have' items hoping fuel lasted till you could find some.

soundguy
 
   / PTO Generator? #56  
Well my 1000RPM running a 540 head set didn't pull through. Thruck has plenty of power to spin the unit, but the IP is not set up to keep the RPM dead set that close to idle. We were getting anything from 52 to 73 hz hitting the test gauges.

Decided to move my big genset to other side of my house (that is going to be a project in itself) and put a bigger bulk tank beside it and go to my breaker box and put a green sticker beside all of the stuff I can turn off to conserve fuel and red stickers beside the ones I must leave on for the house to function. If we can keep the big heating elements from kicking in we are only burning about a gallon and a half an hour, once the motor has settled in, so I will just have to watch those in the case of a long term power outage.

Oh well, another idea that sounded good shot to he!!.
 
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  • Thread Starter
#57  
More interesting comments and feedback. A couple of items

Soundguy, I saw in another thread your response about the internal workings of a UPS; you seem to know your stuff. So I am curious, I was reading the reviews on the 7.7 and the 13 KW (like yours) Northstar and some are very happy. But a few have serious issues, especially when running 240v, seems to have lots of stability issues. Has this been your experience? Second thing about the Northstar, I haven稚 done tons of research yet, but compared to the Tiger, which does have a 240 outlet for FULL power usage, the Northstar from what I see does not. Wouldn稚 getting full power out of this unit require more complex cable connections, especially if trying to wire the house, and anything running on 240v?

jd2305cd, you logic is sound, but be aware of something. A new $600 generator, not all generators are created equal. I bought one during the ice storm, it was a Coleman 5500 watts, but it could be Homelite, Champion, any brand. At this price level, the usually have a Briggs or Tecumseh standard engine, like on a lawnmower or snowblower. These are good for recreational use. You are building a cottage in the woods and there is no power to run a drill, saw or a coffee maker, this is their reason for being. You want a 都tandby generator? these won稚 cut it. The one I had, powering 80 to 90% full load for hours, lasted a day and a half. After that it was leaking oil all over and in the air filter. I was able to bring it back and get a refund. Then I went around too many repair shops and various tool rental places. The message was pretty clear and standard just about everywhere. These engines can稚 handle this kind of work. I was told repeatedly that the kind of load put on these engines, under the application people put on these units during a power outage, is very intense. Consider it to be as much or more than the hardest attachment on your tractor, like a mower or something like that. They all pretty much said the same thing, especially the tool rental places, you need an OHV engine, favorites are Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Robins, and so on. These will be commercial grade generators where the engine can handle 7 to 8 hours at WOT. I don稚 know a lot about the electrical/generator side of things, but have been told that when a MFR puts a premium engine in there, they will do similar with the generator side of things. So a decent generator probably won稚 go for $600. After returning my Coleman, I found a Wacker commercial unit, same wattage, $2500. All this to say, your tractor engine driving a PTO generator would probably serve you a heck of a lot better if you had a really long power outage, and probably be OK with whatever load you put on it. The $600 generator is ok if during a week of no electricity, all you want to do is make a cup of coffee every now and then. If you need to run a fridge , freezer, or any heavy load appliances periodically, I think you should reconsider.
 
   / PTO Generator? #58  
I'm not sure what you mean about full power / 240.

My northstar has a 4 prong connection.. a standard 240 plug.. etc.

as for stability.. it ran my well pump and small hand tools at my farm for about a month before the power company decided to get me some service.. never missed a lick.. voltage always stayed in t he green section on the meter even during pump in / out cycles. ( most of that has to do with how good yer governor is )

soundguy
 
   / PTO Generator? #59  
TonkaToy- I agree, different needs for each application. Everyones situations different. I borrowed one last power outage Ran furnace blower and fridge with it. Then the ocassional tv, radio etc. Worked just fine for 3 day outage.

I can't see spending all this money just for incase situation, yeah its nice, but 3-4 days every 3-4 years. I can deal with just keeping my food/beer cold and my wife warm. Sure i would love to have a whole house automatic fail over, who wouldn't, but can't justify it.. :)

Depends on your needs and situation. I agree, you get what you pay for, but my lil 2305 can do just about anything the bigger tractors can, just take me longer.. :)
 
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#60  
Hey Soundguy, I am going based on the specs on the Northern Tool site.
NorthStar PTO Generator — 13,000 Watt, 24 HP Required | PTO Generators | Northern Tool + Equipment
Maybe their specs might have an error, but they list four 20 amp 120v, one 30 amp 120v and one 50 amp 120v, no 240 receptacle. Is this how your unit is? Does this look like the exact same as yours, or is it a slightly newer model with slight variations?

If this is the case, to pull the full 12,000 watts, you would have to connect a combination of 3 or 4 receptacles to get the full wattage, while also knowing how they are connected internally to the generator, so that a balance can be maintained and pull 6000 watts from each pole. If there is a 240v 50 amp receptacle, then it would be all good. 50 amps x 240 volts gives 12000 watts and supplying a panel would be easier.

jd2305cd, I agree about your lil 2305. I think commercial engines like the Honda are good, but I think the engine on your 2305 hooked up to a PTO gen would blow these gasoline gens away , just my thoughts
 

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