KK Landscape rake doesn't fit a BX24?

[RayCo]

I'm thinking about putting a King Kutter landscape rake on my Christmas list, but I came across this comment about it (below). I don't really give it much credence, considering the person who wrote it doesn't come off as the most intelligent person around. But, it still made me pause to ask here. Does a 60" KK landscape rake fit the 3pt on a BX24?

does't fit a kabota (bx-24) three point hitch .

(From King Kutter Landscape Rake — 60in., Model# YR-60 | Disc Harrows + Rakes | Northern Tool + Equipment )

 

[rdsaustintx]

I think KK makes an "XB" series for the BX.

 

[bp fick]

Will it fit? Yes, of course.
Will you find it hits the ground while transporting across whoops? Yes.
The XB version would likely fit better, but might not be as ruggedly built?
See them both at a TSC or Rural King type store.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Surprised to hear now, after having and using one for years on my BX's, that it doesn't fit. It does catch on the ground when getting to the bottom of a hill (going up or down) on the BX since it doesn't raise up very high off the ground but that's just something I worked around when I used it on my BX's. I now use it on my B. If you have fairly level land, I wouldn't avoid it. The big problem with the Landscape rake and BX's is traction if it's to big or takes to big of a bite. If you have a FEL, you may want to also consider/look at the Ratchet Rake.

 

[bp fick]

JT, you are right. There are so many myths and rumors about the BX being a very limited Cat 1 3pt system. Most of those statements and rumors are plain untrue. There are a couple of reasons, perhaps, why those rural legends persist.

The BX is flat out low to the ground. It's just the nature of the wee beast. While Kubota has greatly improved the lifting height of the 3 pt hitch on recent models, there's only so much height that can be gained when dealing with a scut that's got such a low center of gravity.

Another reason is underestimating the lifting capacity of the BX's 3 pt hitch. It is much more stout than some assume. It's lifting capacity is often inaccurately portrayed, by confusing the weight at what lift point. Finally, some BX's come from the dealer with the 3 pt lower arms held in by the turnbuckles to a very narrow opening causing folks to wrongly assume the arms won't open to 33", which they will.

 

[Couple of Achers]

Yes, and don't forget the lift arm are also much shorter than the standard cat1 arms. Talk to your dealer about trading in a PTO driven attachment after it has been altered to fit on those stubby little arm. You'll see what I mean. So if you don't consider the fact the the arms are shorter, the distance between the top link and the lower lift arms is also shorter, in other words, the geometry of the 3 pt. is smaller then a regular cat1 hitch, if you don't consider that to be a factor whether or not it is a limited cat1 3pt, then no it isn't. I prefer to consider those facts and know it is very limited. I have been fighting if for years with both the BX22 and BX23. Call it what you will, it is not a normal size 3pt just because the arm open to 33". And it has nothing to do with how much it can lift. All tractors lift different amounts of weight, that has nothing to do with the geometry of the 3pt. A statement like that just adds to the confusion. It also has nothing to do with the turn buckles, we know how to operate a turn buckle. If this is a myth then there would not be discussion on this board dating back to 2003 regarding this issue. Since it wouldn't be an issue. And there definitely is.

Remember, a limited cat1 is not limited to using only cat0 attachments. But it is limited to what cat1 attachments you can use. That's why they coined the term limited cat1, and didn't classify it as a enhanced cat0.

Folks, this has been bantered about on this sight since 2003. Just go talk to your dealer about it. They will explain in detail about the size of the 3pt hitch on your SCUT. They will tell you whether it is a regular cat1, or whether it has limiting factors as to what size equipment will or will not function properly on it. Just because something will fit, does not mean it funtions properly. Ask them about he length of the PTO, and if you cut it off to fit the stubby lift arms if they will be all that willing to trade it back in later.

Again, I don't care what you want to call it, call it whatever you want. I just don't think it is good advice to tell everyone here that the BX and other makes as well, have no limitation regarding the 3pt hitch when it is a fact that they do. And it is not just how high it will lift something It is Length, width, and height. A lot of poeple, find out the hardway after buying something they now know was never intended to work properly on their tractor.

 

[Couple of Achers]

I'm thinking about putting a King Kutter landscape rake on my Christmas list, but I came across this comment about it (below). I don't really give it much credence, considering the person who wrote it doesn't come off as the most intelligent person around. But, it still made me pause to ask here. Does a 60" KK landscape rake fit the 3pt on a BX24?


(From King Kutter Landscape Rake 60in., Model# YR-60 | Disc Harrows + Rakes | Northern Tool + Equipment )

Be careful what attachments you buy for your BX. The 3pt. hitch is smaller in every way than a normal cat1 3 pt. See my tyraid above. Talk to your dealer and ask him detailed questions about the length, width and height of your tractors 3pt. If you are looking to buy a KK landscape rake, then buy the XB series. They were specifically designed for SCUT with cat1 pins and catO spacing for the 3pt. (Which is a direct quote off their sales brouchure)

 

[radioman]

Having a BX, I can safely say its not the width the issue. It's not the pulling the issue. It's not the running the pto the issue.

All it really boils down to is the how close you can get the toplink with said implement to have enough ground clearance when it's lifted.

The recommended size for the BX's is NOT carved in stone. Its only what the manufactuers THINK it can only do in rough conditions. I mean look at most of us here- we are not working our implements to the max all the time, or don't have the soil conditions to make it rough.

I think most of us can use anything from less then 4ft to a possible max 6.5 ft wide. The way I see it when I buy stuff for my BX, I just think how much does it hold the ground? like box blade. with scarifiers and rear scraper. That's a lot of holding back to suck up the forward motion. If it doesnt touch ground like a carry all- Will it hang when going over bumps? Will I go over 1500lbs? or the tiller- Since its a power unit it helps you to move along so in nice soil with little rocks you can go wider then 40.

make sense ? too wordy ?

 

[bp fick]

I just don't think it is good advice to tell everyone here that the BX and other makes as well, have no limitation regarding the 3pt hitch when it is a fact that they do.

Achers,

Who said this?

 

[Couple of Achers]

I'm thinking about putting a King Kutter landscape rake on my Christmas list, but I came across this comment about it (below). I don't really give it much credence, considering the person who wrote it doesn't come off as the most intelligent person around. But, it still made me pause to ask here. Does a 60" KK landscape rake fit the 3pt on a BX24?


(From King Kutter Landscape Rake 60in., Model# YR-60 | Disc Harrows + Rakes | Northern Tool + Equipment )

RayCo before you spend the money on an attachment that may or may not work on your tractor see the measurement I have taken and posted in this thread. It may save you a bunch of head aches.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/157946-cat1-limited-cat1-facts.html

 

[bp fick]

Be careful what attachments you buy for your BX. The 3pt. hitch is smaller in every way than a normal cat1 3 pt. See my tyraid above. Talk to your dealer and ask him detailed questions about the length, width and height of your tractors 3pt. If you are looking to buy a KK landscape rake, then buy the XB series. They were specifically designed for SCUT with cat1 pins and catO spacing for the 3pt. (Which is a direct quote off their sales brouchure)

When I bought my BX, my dealer was very upfront about the limitations of the 3 pt on the tractor. He referred to it as essentially a Cat 0 with Cat 1 pins. I was not the least bit offended by his description of it, and now 28 hours of hard work later, frankly agree with the thought behind his comment. I am 58 years old and don't have a blessed macho bone left to rattle in my body, so I smile when I read over and over on here about the big, mean, and nasty implements that guys are using on their BXs. That's fine. It's their money, their tractors and they are big boys.

The "problem" with most XB marketed implements is that they are as expensive as their larger counterparts, but usually not as well made. The second issue, and boy, this will open a can of worms, but Kubota isn't much help on this issue. They call the BX a Cat 1. No asterisk. Period.

Plus, they keep upping the horse power, playing that marketing game. Again, I have my flak jacket and asbestos suit on, but this aggravates things somewhat as well. How? By having more and more power on the same 3 pt geometry. A guy now has 26 hp so he "thinks" bigger implements and frankly, might just tear up the light weight stuff they pass off as XB implements too much of time. Perhaps you see the issue?

Finally, judging by what I read here on the forum, my friend, you may have preached a good sermon on this Sunday morning, and I say, AMEN, but I suspect you are tilting at windmills.

Best wishes

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I'm thinking about putting a King Kutter landscape rake on my Christmas list, but I came across this comment about it (below). I don't really give it much credence, considering the person who wrote it doesn't come off as the most intelligent person around. But, it still made me pause to ask here. Does a 60" KK landscape rake fit the 3pt on a BX24?


(From King Kutter Landscape Rake 60in., Model# YR-60 | Disc Harrows + Rakes | Northern Tool + Equipment )

Back to original post question. Yes, it will fit because I have one and it fits or has for the past 6 years. My previous answer expounded a bit and gave some limitations. The Landscape rake does not have a drive shaft so that's not a consideration. It fits, I have one and have used it for years on my BX's. Now for those that want to cover all the possible questions and answers that can possibly be mentioned concerning BX 3ph, go ahead and don't be concerned about the original question and again, yes, it fits, I have one and have used it on BX's with some limitations previously mentioned.

 

[RayCo]

Thanks to everyone for all the feedback.

Plus, they keep upping the horse power, playing that marketing game. Again, I have my flak jacket and asbestos suit on, but this aggravates things somewhat as well. How? By having more and more power on the same 3 pt geometry. A guy now has 26 hp so he "thinks" bigger implements and frankly, might just tear up the light weight stuff they pass off as XB implements too much of time. Perhaps you see the issue?

This sums up my concerns the best. It seems that looking at the size of my tractor, category 0 sized implements would be more appropriate, but the mismatch of power to size makes me fear that I'll break things more easily. It feels like a lose-lose situation, either get something that is not best dimensionally fitted for my tractor or get something that isn't strong enough.

The info about not being able to lift the KK rake up high enough is cause for concern for me, since the only flat area on my property is my basement floor.

 

[rdsaustintx]

Went and looked and my rake is a KK XB. It's built the same, just smaller. And painted the right color

Not specific to the rake, but I found it to be MUCH more useful after installing gage wheels.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

Went and looked and my rake is a KK XB. It's built the same, just smaller. And painted the right color

Not specific to the rake, but I found it to be MUCH more useful after installing gage wheels.

I believe the gauge wheels would fix the issue with the "reguler" KK landscape by lifting it off the ground when dips are encountered but I'm sure the XB is a rugged rake and would be better suited to BX's than the non XB model. If your land isn't level then go for the XB for sure to prevent the lift highth issue. My boxblade is an XB model and it's rugged.

 

[Couple of Achers]

Thanks to everyone for all the feedback.




This sums up my concerns the best. It seems that looking at the size of my tractor, category 0 sized implements would be more appropriate, but the mismatch of power to size makes me fear that I'll break things more easily. It feels like a lose-lose situation, either get something that is not best dimensionally fitted for my tractor or get something that isn't strong enough.

The info about not being able to lift the KK rake up high enough is cause for concern for me, since the only flat area on my property is my basement floor.

You are not it a lose lose situation. The attachments designed for the scut are not built out of any lighter materials than the ones built for the regular size cat1 hitch. They are just built with the geometry of the 3pt that will function properly on your tractor.

 

[Couple of Achers]

I believe the gauge wheels would fix the issue with the "reguler" KK landscape by lifting it off the ground when dips are encountered but I'm sure the XB is a rugged rake and would be better suited to BX's than the non XB model. If your land isn't level then go for the XB for sure to prevent the lift highth issue. My boxblade is an XB model and it's rugged.

I am a firm believer in gauge wheels on a landscape rake. But in this situation, they would not help. The problem isn't so much while you are dragging the rake around while it's on the ground. It is when fully lifted it is only about 5" off the ground. So the problem is when the rake is fully lifted and you encounter a hill or valley the rake digs into the ground. Gauge wheels are designed to lift the attachement to maiintain level by lifting the lower lift arms. Sine the lift arms would already be fully in the raised position, there would be no place to go. So you would be putting the entire rear weight of the tractor on the gauge wheels. And something is going to give.
The best advice I can give anyone here, is buy attachments designed for your scut. Most manufacturers have a complete line of equipment specially designed for the limited cat1 hitch geometry of the scut. I've lived it, I've suffered through it. You will not be dissappointed if you buy what was designed to work on your tractor. Seat time is suppose to be fun. You don't need a bunch of headaches using something that "kind of" works on your tractor.

 

[fish6942]

I use a full size cat1 back blade from KK on my BX2350. I've never measured it but I'd guess the blade is a good 18"-24" off the ground when it's fully raised. I realize you are asking about the KK landscape rake but I'd guess they would be similar in these respects.

As was mentioned above, you may also need a longer top link to fully cover the desired range of travel for blade angle.

 

[Couple of Achers]

I use a full size cat1 back blade from KK on my BX2350. I've never measured it but I'd guess the blade is a good 18"-24" off the ground when it's fully raised. I realize you are asking about the KK landscape rake but I'd guess they would be similar in these respects.

As was mentioned above, you may also need a longer top link to fully cover the desired range of travel for blade angle.

No they are not. It really depends on each individual attachment. Some may work, some may not, some kind of work. To me it's not worth the guessing game, or having to measure each item before purchasing it. Unless of course you are buying something used, then by all means measure twice and buy once.

 

[Couple of Achers]

Thanks to everyone for all the feedback.




This sums up my concerns the best. It seems that looking at the size of my tractor, category 0 sized implements would be more appropriate, but the mismatch of power to size makes me fear that I'll break things more easily. It feels like a lose-lose situation, either get something that is not best dimensionally fitted for my tractor or get something that isn't strong enough.

The info about not being able to lift the KK rake up high enough is cause for concern for me, since the only flat area on my property is my basement floor.

RayCo, one other thing I want to assure you of. You are not in a lose lose situation. You couldn't be in any better situation. You have a tractor that will give you years of service. It continues to amaze me what these little things are capable of. You have a lot of manufactures now building full lines of attachments for you to choose from. You you also have the experience of old guys like me on this site that have already been through the situation you are now experiencing. You have already done the right thing by posting your questions on this site. Now it is obvious that opinions vary on this matter. There is probably no one issue that has been argued more on here than the limited cat1 hitch/scut issue. It is up to you to read as much as you can on the subject, talk to the dealers, and gather as much information as you can. Only you can decide what is right for you and then you can take the info and make a informed decision before buying. So don't get depressed or get down on yourself over this. Owning a tractor should be an enjoyable situation. Seat time is fun time. Good luck on this decision and future ones as well.