Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous

   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #41  
My point is you insist that taking a child on a motorcycle is "jeopardizing their life" yet statistically, there have been far more injuries and deaths from so many other things involving children that no one has a problem with. I am sure racing motocross is up there on the top 10 list of life jeopardizing things to do as a child.

from the way the warning labels read, newspaper bagies and open buckets of water are pretty dangerous to small kids as well.. time to install seatbelts on em.. :)

it's nearly thanksgiving.. all yall try to be safe!

soundguy
 
   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #42  
it's nearly thanksgiving.. all yall try to be safe!
soundguy


Thanks,

Yeah I hope I don't choke to death on my wife's dry Turkey.

There's another thing that can be dangerous, criticizing the boss.

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   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #43  
I've found just about everything on a woman to be dangerous at some time or another.. :)

soundguy
 
   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous
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I've found just about everything on a with a woman to be dangerous at some time or another.. :)

soundguy

I've found just about everything associated with a woman to be dangerous at some time or another..
 
   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #45  
That said, that pic from Haymaker with an infant on a street bike would be an open and shut case of a risk of injury to a minor charge, unless it was just a little putting around the back yard or maybe a very quiet side street.

It's amazing how many tractor owners here are lawyers! Actually, here in Maine, land of a few less liberals, it is legal as long as he is wearing a helmet.

Anyway, I gotta go back outside, He oughtta be just about done chainsawing wood by the time I send this.:eek:
 
   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #46  
It's amazing how many tractor owners here are lawyers! Actually, here in Maine, land of a few less liberals, it is legal as long as he is wearing a helmet.

Anyway, I gotta go back outside, He oughtta be just about done chainsawing wood by the time I send this.:eek:


OK the risk of injury thing might of been a little personnel, but it seemed you were taunting the subject with that pic, looks like you spend alot of time with your child which is good.

As I posted later, here there is no specific law more of a discretionary thing, and they don't even need a helmet unless they're under 18 operating a MC.
I make my kids wear a helmet when I give them a ride. or when they ride there own bikes.
Put my young daughter (6 or 7) on son's old xr75 she went around the yard once no problem, thought to myself wow she's pretty good. Next time around she wouldn't release the throttle and drove straight into a giant briar patch, the screams were pretty bad but no serious injuries.
 

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   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #47  
OK the risk of injury thing might of been a little personnel, but it seemed you were taunting the subject with that pic, looks like you spend alot of time with your child which is good.

As I posted later, here there is no specific law more of a discretionary thing, and they don't even need a helmet unless they're under 18 operating a MC.
I make my kids wear a helmet when I give them a ride. or when they ride there own bikes.
Put my young daughter (6 or 7) on son's old xr75 she went around the yard once no problem, thought to myself wow she's pretty good. Next time around she wouldn't release the throttle and drove straight into a giant briar patch, the screams were pretty bad but no serious injuries.

I work a LOT in my four day work week, but when I'm home on the weekend he is glued to me unless I'm doing something like sawing, welding, painting, etc. Gee, that almost makes it sound like I do care about his safety :D. He touches no bike without a helmet, whether street or dirt.

Someone had posted about the 18 month old on a dirt bike. I'm impressed. Austin has not shown enough interest in attempting this stuff on his own, though he LOVES to ride, practically begs for it if I go too long. He is just starting to show an interest in his bicycle, which (not knowing if he understands or not) I have always told him he must learn before he gets something with a motor.

Sure wish I had a pic of a few weeks ago when he buried his battery operated JD in the field and I went out with the T2220 and chain to pull him out. He still brings it up with everyone he meets! That oughta get the fatalists wound up!
 
   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #48  
Sure wish I had a pic of a few weeks ago when he buried his battery operated JD in the field and I went out with the T2220 and chain to pull him out. He still brings it up with everyone he meets! That oughta get the fatalists wound up!

That's a cute story but hardly one which would wind anyone up except for it's strawman implications. You seem to enjoy labelling anyone who has differing viewpoints of appropriate activities for children but just for reference a fatalist is actually someone who believes all events are predetermined by fate and therefore unalterable, which is consistent with the philosophy of those who think that when your times up it's up and there's little you can do about it. Your labelling of those exhibiting differing levels of safety consciousness as "fatalists" couldn't be more incorrect in this situation. These people you appear to want to rally against for the most part believe that accidents and deaths are not predetermined at all but can, in reality, be prevented with a little reasonable foresight.
 
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   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #49  
That's a cute story but hardly one which would wind anyone up except for it's strawman implications. You seem to enjoy labelling anyone who has differing viewpoints of appropriate activities for children but just for reference a fatalist is actually someone who believes all events are predetermined by fate and therefore unalterable, which is consistent with the philosophy of those who think that when your times up it's up and there's little you can do about it. Your labelling of those exhibiting differing levels of safety consciousness as "fatalists" couldn't be more incorrect in this situation. These people you appear to want to rally against for the most part believe that accidents and deaths are not predetermined at all but can, in reality, be prevented with a little reasonable foresight.

Those who believe a child will die simply because he/she was allowed to sit on a tractor, running or not is not going to wind these people up? MMmmmm-Kay.

What shall I use, alarmists? Safety Police? BandAid Gestapo? You know what I meant. Don't shift the topic simply because I didn't one of those things high class edumacated people have. Whaddaya call it, a dickshawnairy?

"These people you appear to want to rally against for the most part believe that accidents and deaths are not predetermined at all but can, in reality, be prevented with a little reasonable foresight."

Great way to put it. But when you have people trying their hardest to make those of us who want their kids to enjoy the same things we do, WITHIN REASON, to make us look like bad parents by putting our offspring in harms way, it shows many are far too nearsighted to have the "required reasonable foresight."

The beautiful people these days don't seem to get it that not everyone believes it takes a village to raise a child. It does not. It takes a pair of dedicated parents with some good sense. Notice I say "good" sense, not "common" sense? If sense was "common", the nightly news would be far less entertaining.

The whole "we must protect others from themselves" attitude drives me nuts. Last year at this time I couldn't have bought my kid a dirtbike because the braindead protectionists had the "foresight" to ban EVERYTHING meant for a kid under twelve that contained trace amounts of lead. That even included ride on items such as bikes. I'm sorry, but if you're kid is chewing on a dirtbike tire stem, he's been into something worse than lead already......

Yeah, this is a rant, but it's too bad everyone has to be judgmental of how others bring up their children. The horse has been beat so badly at this point here on the Safety Forum that even Elmers doesn't want it any more. This bike thing is a great example. Numerous times it has been mentioned in this thread that "others don't see bikes". Yeah, no orifice leakage, they don't. BUT, some of us understand it and use the knowledge to ride/drive defensively. The "Boss" trusts my skills in that. The examples that were given are ALL preventable on the part of the rider, though they were created by the car drivers. If I didn't have that skill in my play/work toolbox, I'd kill at least one moron on the road weekly. Their fault again, but I prevent it from happening.

If I go through life thinking EVERYTHING is a risk to the safety of my child, I might as well have him euthanized to save everyone the pain. Kids drown, get electrocuted, pimped out by their moms and murdered by the scum who paid for it. They fall down stairs, are killed in car accidents, OD on dads oxycodone and drink toilet cleaner. They are kidnapped, they wander off and get lost. They hang themselves from curtain strings and fall through screens 9 stories to the sidewalk below. They get bounced off tractors to fall into the wood chipper, then are backed over by a lawn mower. Are these caused by others? No, they are caused by inattentive parents. This, we are not.

Just because we chose different ways to get them off the couch does not make you a better, safer parent who has to judge us at every street light we stop at, nor does it make us irresponsible.

Thus, the reason I answered the original post the way I did (Mind your own business, in case you forgot). It'd make things so much easier!

****, I hope he has the safety on while he plays bad guy with my gun!
 
   / Child on Motorcycle or Tractor which is more dangerous #50  
I have a problem with my neighbor telling me with he feels is right or wrong.
 

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