ford 1700 clutch problem

Texas Blues · Dec 7, 2009

A long time ago I bought a snap on slide hammer puller. It had L shaped arms of various sizes you could attach to the ends. I was effective most of the time on the bearing type pilot bearings. Pilot bushings on the other hand were a different story, it next to never worked on those. Maybe a local parts store rents the puller if you needed it. Good idea stuffing wet paper in the opening, sort of a hydraulic press kinda thing. Good luck, TB

Soundguy · Dec 7, 2009

the grease trick will work for sure.. BTDT..

have used that to push weepy seals out to to repalce then when i didn't have a seal snatcher..

soundguy

Noknees45 · Dec 7, 2009

Here are some pictures of my clutch job. Just an FYI- my 1700 is a greasy mess from being used and abused. I have a hydraulic control valve leak and the engine seams to leak oil, but it runs great (other than the clutch

)! I took a bunch of pictures just to make sure I knew how to put it back together if I got stuck.

The clutch failure is a mystery. It was making a little noise before it failed but nothing major. The pilot bearing may have stuck (it is really rough when you spin it) and caused the throw-out bearing to lock up on the clutch. I'm not sure....guessing. Either way the clutch fingers were ground down to nothing and the throw-out bearing was stuck out. I had no resistance on the clutch and could not put the tractor in gear at all.

Texas Blues · Dec 7, 2009

Maybe the throw bearing was getting stiff and didnt spin freely enough. Or maybe the clutch was adjusted to tight (not enough freeplay in the pedal). And also maybe the clutch had been ridden too much. Make sure the throw bearing sleeve has free travel on the input shaft housing, and the return spring assists it. Either way, its plum wore out. Good thing you caught it before it got worse and caused more damage. Once you replace the pilot bearing and clutch assembly and throw bearing im sure it will be fine. Just dont adjust it too tight. Nice pics, keep them coming! Good Luck, TB

Hooked_on_HP · Dec 7, 2009

If you don't already have them buy the service manual and operators manual. These tractors have things to check that other tractors dont. Like the oil level in the injector pump. It looks like you have the clutch job under control. Did yoou get the new clutch from NH or did you find it else where?
Bill

JC-jetro · Dec 8, 2009

Ditto on all the stuff Tex had to say. It has to be one of them and I lean toward bad adjustment where the throwout bearing was constantly riding on the fingers. How did the clutch disk itself looked like? Condition above could also adversely effect the surface wear as it slips and grabs rather than grabbing all the time.

You'll be able to find host of good info and pics on lowly 1700 on this forum more than some of the other models but it is essential to have owner's manual and some sort of service manual.

Have you noticed if any oil seal is leaking in to clutch housing? if so, then it is time now to correct.

JC,

Soundguy · Dec 8, 2009

Hooked_on_HP said:
If you don't already have them buy the service manual and operators manual. These tractors have things to check that other tractors dont. Like the oil level in the injector pump. It looks like you have the clutch job under control. Did yoou get the new clutch from NH or did you find it else where?
Bill

what makes you think older tractors don't have to check for things like oil in the injector pump. My inline simms on my 68 ford 3000 needs it's injector pump oil serviced at oil change time... ( sure.. there are some fuel lubed rotary pumps as well.. but.. there are plenty of oil sump lubed IP's )

soundguy

Noknees45 · Dec 8, 2009

I do have the owners manual, but I need to get the service manual. Any suggestions on where to get one? I'm gonna google it after I get off here.

As far as the clutch, I called NH and they want over $400.00 for everything. I think I can get it on e-bay. I'll just have to wait for the shipping. Not bad considering NH would take three days anyway.

Soundguy · Dec 8, 2009

i did a 3 second search on that auction site we can't mention using ford 1700 as the search title.. the first 4 things that came up were service manuals.. an old I&T, a new I&T,and then the big ford book..

soundguy

jones6780 · Dec 8, 2009

Did you find a clutch alignment tool? They are kinda pricey for a 1 time use. I took the input shaft out of my transmission to use for clutch alignment. Just have to take the cross shaft out that operates the throw-out bearing, 4 bolts and pull it out. As for a manual I have both the I&T and the big Ford repair manual. For the price I would be happy with the I&T, it was all I needed. I bought my clutch kit complete on that auction site

. For the pilot bearing removal, it is not vert tight. I used a long bolt that I put in the bearing, slid over to the side and wedged the head in place under the bearing. Put a socket over the bolt washer,nut and tightened the nut to pull the bearing out.
You sound like you have everything under control so good luck.

Russell