Does this model exist?

coldstream · Mar 3, 2010

After researching a LOOOONG time for my upcoming CUT purchase (target price $15k or less, tractor and loader, new) I settled on a couple of features that are a high priority for me. I would like my tractor to have position control (which many of you will agree with) and a gear transmission (which many of you will disagree with). I have my reasons for the gear tranny and I will get into that in another post. I have Bobcat, Kubota, MF and JD dealers relatively locally. Kubota's the only one I've found with a gear tranny option but it has 1/4 inching 3 pt control (B2320). If you all know of any CUTS offered with both of these features please chime in. Thanks for helping me with this decision, this site is great!

jwstewar · Mar 3, 2010

What about the New Holland 2030. A bare bones tractor that is available with a 9x3 gear or hydrostat transmission. II think all New Hollands have position control. I would think w/ loader you should be able to get this right at or even under your 15k mark.

MtnViewRanch · Mar 3, 2010

jwstewar said:
What about the New Holland 2030. A bare bones tractor that is available with a 9x3 gear or hydrostat transmission. II think all New Hollands have position control. I would think w/ loader you should be able to get this right at or even under your 15k mark.

Well, my guess would be that there are no New Holland dealers close by. He did say "I have Bobcat, Kubota, MF and JD dealers relatively locally". I would recommend that he look at Kioti and Mahindra and everything else for that matter, but it sounds like he is limiting himself to his four local brands.

Coldstream, the tractor that your looking for does indeed exist. You may have to travel to get it though.

jwstewar · Mar 3, 2010

If we knew a little bit more of exactly where he is, we might know. I did a search from Liberty, Missouri and found 5 dealers. Not sure really how close is close though.

LAWALLSTRACTOR · Mar 3, 2010

Mahindra 2816 Gear w/loader should cover your criteria and then some.

Dmace · Mar 3, 2010

Have you priced out a Bobcat CT335? You can get it with a Shuttle Shift transmission with 3 ranges and 4 gears. I am surprised you cannot get the smaller CT122 and CT230 in a gear version. See if you have a Kioti dealer around you as you can get most of their tractors in a gear version like the CK20S, CK27, and CK30 just to name a few CUT's.

The Kioti and Bobcat tractors are identical and made by the same manufacturer, Daedong. Only the attachments (FEL, BH, etc...) are different.

Thomas · Mar 3, 2010

Does the tractor your seeking have to be brand new?,for there some fairly new tractors..repo's,on commission sales etc. more so now.

Sportsman762 · Mar 15, 2010

I was/am shopping for a tractor that is 25+ pto hp, loader 4wd. The price meant it had to be a gear machine. I was looking at the NH 1510, and JD 790. I talked to the Kioti dealer and he wanted 2 grand more than the jd and nh. I could not figure out why an off brand would ask for more? The Branson was priced similar but why pay the same for an off brand? I called the Kubota dealer and he said an L2550 ( i think) would fit the bill but their pto's are not live and he would not recommend buying it because it was more than the JD that he also sold and the jd had a live pto. The MF (I forget the model) was a grand and half more than the NH. The NH is about the same price maybe a couple hundred more than the JD. Some of this information is a couple years old however this is my experience. Let us know what you buy.

Dmace · Mar 15, 2010

Sportsman762 said:
I was/am shopping for a tractor that is 25+ pto hp, loader 4wd. The price meant it had to be a gear machine. I was looking at the NH 1510, and JD 790. I talked to the Kioti dealer and he wanted 2 grand more than the jd and nh.

I assume you were comparing the CK30 to that NH1520 and JD790. That is a apples-to-oranges comparison and with all the extra standard equipment, design, and capacities, the Kioti should be more. Try comparing it to a real comparable JD or NH and you will see the difference.

The New Holland 1510 is their "economy line" vs the premium Kioti CK30 or CK35
30hp Engine (CK30-30HP CK35-34HP)
25.5HP PTO(CK30-23HP CK35-27.6HP)
10gpm (CK30&CK35-12.7gpm)
3pt hitch 1635lbs (CK30&CK35-1764lbs)
weight 2385lbs (CK30-3184lbs CK35-3151lbs)
Loader lift 875lbs to max 100.5" (CK30&CK35-1155lbs to max 92.5")
Loader breakout 1602lbs (CK30&CK35-2046lbs)
Plus the Kioti has standard features like tilting steering wheel, fender mounted loader control, and it's overall design is newer and more ergonomic. The Kioti looks to be more in line with the Boomer series of New Holland tractors which I am sure are much more money. I'm sure the same can be said about the JD 790 vs a more comparable model such as the JD 3120.

Gittyup · Mar 15, 2010

Don't you think 2 year old pricing is not so relevant. It makes sense to get current pricing, and not over the phone. Dealers will give you their best price when they know you are serious. Again, make sure you are comparing apples to apples. There's more to consider than just HP... a lot more to consider.

LAWALLSTRACTOR · Mar 15, 2010

Sportsman762 said:
I was/am shopping for a tractor that is 25+ pto hp, loader 4wd. The price meant it had to be a gear machine. I was looking at the NH 1510, and JD 790. I talked to the Kioti dealer and he wanted 2 grand more than the jd and nh. I could not figure out why an off brand would ask for more? The Branson was priced similar but why pay the same for an off brand? I called the Kubota dealer and he said an L2550 ( i think) would fit the bill but their pto's are not live and he would not recommend buying it because it was more than the JD that he also sold and the jd had a live pto. The MF (I forget the model) was a grand and half more than the NH. The NH is about the same price maybe a couple hundred more than the JD. Some of this information is a couple years old however this is my experience. Let us know what you buy.

I would guess the Kioti was a good bit larger and heavier tractor, than the NH or JD, and the thing they all had in common was HP.

CHDinCT · Mar 16, 2010

How about a Kubota L2800? Available with gear drive and has position control. Sticker price is just under $14K. I'm sure with some discounting and adding a FEL you'd be pretty near your $15K mark. No mid PTO though. Not sure what you plan to use it for, but it might fit the bill.

Gittyup · Mar 16, 2010

CHDinCT said:
How about a Kubota L2800? Available with gear drive and has position control. Sticker price is just under $14K. I'm sure with some discounting and adding a FEL you'd be pretty near your $15K mark. No mid PTO though. Not sure what you plan to use it for, but it might fit the bill.

Am I wrong? I thought the L2800 had a quarter inching 3PH.

MtnViewRanch · Mar 16, 2010

Gittyup said:
Am I wrong? I thought the L2800 had a quarter inching 3PH.

Shows here that it is position control.

http://www.kubota.com/product/L2800/pdf/l_series_spec.pdf

tommu56 · Mar 16, 2010

I'm anxious to see why you want gear drive.

If you have done any volume of loader work hydro or shuttle shift is the only way to go.

tom

LAWALLSTRACTOR · Mar 17, 2010

If you have a Mahindra dealer near, you could give a Mahindra 2816 a look.

coldstream · Mar 17, 2010

Thank you all for the replys. I just noticed that this thread popped back up, sorry for the delay in replying. I can tell you that when you really get down to the brass tacks and are ready to buy and talking to dealers it is highly likely that you won't end up where you thought you would with regard to which tractor!! My original desire for a gear tractor was purely emotional - I have some experience on my dad's old 8n and to me it just seems that a tractor should have gear transmission, harkens to the "old days". I know, I know, not practical but the tractor is not a purely practical purchase for me, I'm not in production and when I'm on the machine working I won't be in a hurry, in fact just the opposite! But, a gear tranny on a CUT of this size does limit options a lot. I asked about the L2800 and it's in the high $16k range with a FEL. Too much! To make a long story short I've got money down on a new B2920 with FEL and I'm really happy about it. I gave up the gear tranny dream as well as position control but the details of the deal and a test drive won me over. I went in to drive a B2320 but this B2920 has been sitting on the dealer's floor too long and he wanted to move it. A couple of hundred bucks more than the B2320 was too much to pass up. Thanks for all of your input and I will keep you posted when I take delivery!

Water Boy · Mar 17, 2010

I have B 2320 HST and I love it. Would have loved to get the B 2920 for the about the same price but was not as lucky as you!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

WB