bx23 or jd4200 loader and backhoe

[CHENO]

Which would you reccomend? They are basically the same hp and specs. different color.

 

[kennyd]

Which would you reccomend? They are basically the same hp and specs. different color.

They are not the same at all:confused2:

The JD4200 is a mid-framed CUT while the BX is a sub-CUT.

 

[Egon]

I just goggled the Kubota BX23. It is quite a bit smaller than a John Deere 4200.

I have a 4200 with fel, mmm and a number 7 hoe. It was used with 900 hours when I got it but there has not been enough time spent on it or others of the size to make any comments other than I really like it and so far it impresses me.

 

[CHENO]

What does sub cut mean?

 

[kennyd]

What does sub cut mean?

Small. SubCompactUtilityTractor

 

[arrabil]

The 4200 should have more GPM at the rear hydraulic outlets and a higher loader lift capacity. You're not looking at the "right" specs....

 

[Egon]

Kubota BX23

Some statistics for the Kubota.


http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/001/8/0/1809-john-deere-4200.html

Some statistics for John Deere 4200

 

[arrabil]

In other words a BX23 is half the tractor a 4200 is....

 

[timswi]

In other words a BX23 is half the tractor a 4200 is....

Not sure I'd put it that way..A little bigger in size..3 more horsepower. Also, it appears that it came in 2x4 or 4x4..Manual or hydro. The 23 only comes one way..4x4 and hydro. Physical size doesn't mean much unless your using large impliments. My BX23 runs circles around my previous 8N, which was probably 3 times the size. All in what you're going to use them for.

I moved a tri-axle load of limestone last night and 25-30 heaping one ton dump truck loads of dirt on Saturday...Not too bad for something this size.

 

[arrabil]

Half the weight, half the loader capacity, half the 3pt lift capacity, half the rear tire size, half the hydraulic flow.... probably half the year adjusted new price too. So its half the tractor. Approximately.

But sure, a BX23 is a fantastic little machine if thats what your needs call for. I'd rather have the Deere 2210 in that size but that is also half the tractor.

 

[timswi]

Half the weight, half the loader capacity, half the 3pt lift capacity, half the rear tire size, half the hydraulic flow.... probably half the year adjusted new price too. So its half the tractor. Approximately.

But sure, a BX23 is a fantastic little machine if thats what your needs call for. I'd rather have the Deere 2210 in that size but that is also half the tractor.

Honestly, not worth arguing about..As I said: All in what you need it for. I could have bought a B series for less money than mine went for at the time, but it didn't serve my needs. The B (don't remember the series) that they had was considerably bigger than my BX and was probably similar to the 4200.


I have no buyers remorse after six years and would buy the BX23 again.

 

[LBrown59]

Which would you reccomend? They are basically the same hp and specs. different color.

The jd is much larger than the Kubota.

What does sub cut mean?

Cut means compact utility tractor .
Sub cut means sub compact utility tractor.

 

[arrabil]

Honestly, not worth arguing about

Let not argue about it, lets settle it definitively...

HST Tractor	4200   		BX23
HP			26.3 hp		22
PTO HP		20.0 hp		16.7
Torque		57.9 lb-ft		?
Fuel Tank		10 g			5.5
Drawbar Weight	1102 lb		?
3pt Lift		1700 lb		680
Pump	Output	12.4 gpm		5.5
Weight		2875 lb		1520
Loader Lift		1003 lb		460
Loader Breakout	2141 lb		845

I'd call that half the tractor. It would take twice as long to accomplish most tasks with a BX23 vs a 4200, particularly those involving the loader and hydraulics (and thus the backhoe too).

And again, there is nothing wrong with a BX23, but to say its as much tractor as a 4200 is being disingenuous.

 

[Grandad4]

Cheno, just on the off chance that an argument about why "this tractor is twice as much tractor as that tractor", may not help you very much, may I make the following suggestions?

First, making a judgement about which one is better for you depends mostly on what you plan to be doing with it, the condition of the units - after all they are used tractors, and what they are selling for.

The 4200 is a larger framed unit that would be ideal in working on a 2-10 acre rural property with mowing, groundskeeping, road maintenance and light ag chores, to name a few. It could also serve as a small chore tractor for farm use, I suppose.

The 23 is about the smallest rig you could get that is still more a tractor than a garden tractor (although some who don't own one would argue the point). It's lower, has smaller tires, shorter, narrower, etc. It will go into places you couldn't fit a larger unit. It is probably ideal for 1-5 acre properties, or places where smaller size, lighter weight and lower ground clearance are an advantage. It's easier to transport. Maybe most different is a BX23 comes with a backhoe that would be an add-on with the 4200.

You haven't told us anything about what you need a tractor for, so the advice you get about which type of tractor is best really doesn't mean very much to your situation.

By the way, both JD and Kubota make superb tractors in the "compact" size (i.e. the 4200) and the "subcompact" (i.e.the BX23) size ranges.

 

[timswi]

Let not argue about it, lets settle it definitively...


I'd call that half the tractor. It would take twice as long to accomplish most tasks with a BX23 vs a 4200, particularly those involving the loader and hydraulics (and thus the backhoe too).

And again, there is nothing wrong with a BX23, but to say its as much tractor as a 4200 is being disingenuous.

I never said they were the same. As I said twice:...it depends on what he's using it for. bigger is not always better. i know this from experience.

Does he need a BH?..if so the BX has that standard. Hydro? BX Standard. 4x4, BX standard. Does he need any of this?...I don't know. If he has to lift a 1500# tiller, a BX isn't his machine...Just sayin.

I'm having difficulty understanding why you are taking this so personally.

 

[arrabil]

I'm having difficulty understanding why you are taking this so personally.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your inability to comprehend the half the tractor thing.

 

[timswi]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your inability to comprehend the half the tractor thing.

Whatever

 

[Green_in_Michigan]

I will add my perspective this issue. The BX is a fine little tractor. Wish I had one. But, my 4200 could pick it up as ballast and not even break a sweat.

 

[Johndeere3720]

Buy the one that best suits your need. Good luck with your purchase.

 

[Grandad4]

Original poster has apparently moved beyond the specific models discussed in this thread and is looking at others. Moderator... time to close this one?