Farm Fuel Tank Ideas

[FlaDon]

If you are transporting 120+ gallons of fuel you are commercial.

If it is in a single fixed tank. 3 55 gallon drums with 42 gallons each would not. YMMV and check your state/local laws.

 

[Duffster]

If it is in a single fixed tank. 3 55 gallon drums with 42 gallons each would not. YMMV and check your state/local laws.

How are you coming up with 42 gal?

 

[LBrown59]

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I have two 275 gallon tanks in the garage. Had one for the oil furnace and when I found another almost new 275 for free, I hooked them both up to the furnace. (Storing over 500 gallons is handy) Since I park the Kubota beside them, I put on a electric pump with 24 feet of hose. Sure is nice quick fueling but I do not really need a 13 GPM pump to fill the tractors 6 gallon fuel tank. 1**Notice I am not filtering the fuel. The furnace draws from the bottom of the tank and the fuel pump draws from 2 inches above the bottom. The furnace will alert me of any water in the tank long before the tractor will.
2*And yes, I use #2 heating oil in my tractor. Always have, always will.

1*I would still install a filter like this on the outlet side of the pump .
2*It's amazing how many folks heat their homes with it and turn around and pay 30 to 50 cents more a gallon at the gas station for the same thing to put in their tractors.
Why pay more else where for what you already have at home and have to run after it to boot??

When those tanks where mounted to the truck they where not cargo so no special license needed.
I won't scold you, you are a big boy and can make your own decisions but
3* i will ask you this, would you operate your passenger car without a valid license or insurance?

3*Who says he is operating with out
valid license or insurance?[/

4* CDL with tanker

C D L means Commercial drivers license.
Cpmmercial means operated as a business.
According to this a vehicle owned by a private individual not used in business or for hire would not require a CDL.

5*The tank had a screw on lid that was 4" in diameter. I drilled a 2" hole in the lid and mounted a floor flange with 2" pipe threads. This is where I mounted my pump. I then mounted another 2" floor flange with pipe threads over an existing 1" hole in the tank. I put a vented fill cap on that opening. I use this opening for filling the tank.I mounted the tank (it's 50" long) on a pallet and set it in the back of my truck with my tractor and pallet forks. . I drove 12 miles to the local off-road pump and filled it up. I've already used 70 of the 150 gallons prepping ground for crops.
Hope yall like!!!!Chris

5*Glad you got it all set up and working.

I have a CDL. I'm not real worried about the DOT. Thanks though.....

One reason I hadn't posted this pictues was that I knew
6*I would have everybody telling me how illegal I was. 7*Well..... when the DOT man tells me I'm illegal I'll worry about it... :thumbsup:
Chris

6* I know the feeling.
7*Or when my Supplier tells me that.

If you are transporting 120+ gallons of fuel you are commercial.

I if you aren't doing it or for hire or as a business your aren't commerical.

 

[Duffster]

3*Who says he is operating with out
valid license or insurance?

You need a CDL w/ hazmat and Tanker to haul 150 gallons of fuel. If he doesn't it is the same as driving without a license, and insurance since I doubt his insurance covers an unlicensed operator.

C D L means Commercial drivers license.
Cpmmercial means operated as a business.
According to this a vehicle owned by a private individual not used in business or for hire would not require a CDL.

Did you miss my previous quote?

 

[firefighter9208]

I have posted links to two documents that show that Farmers are exempt from Hazardous Materials Regulations.

Document #1 is from the ALFA (Alabama Farmer's Federation) website: http://www.alfafarmers.org/pdfs/agricultural_transport.pdf

This document specifically states on page 2 under Exceptions Apply To Agricultural Products That you can transport Agricultural Products, other than class 2 (propane or natural gases) without need to follow Hazardous Materials Regulations.

Document #1 is from the PHMSA (Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration) website: PHMSA - Library - Transporting Agricultural Products Safely

Both state that a farmer may transport up to 502 gallons of a liquid or gas agricultural products within 150 miles of his/her farm w/o following Hazardous Materials Regulations. It also states that you can transport of to 5,070 pounds of a solid product (amonium nitrate) without following hazmat regs and 16,094 pounds of bulk ammonium nitrate w/o following hazmat regs.

I know that yesterday I towed a fertilizer buggy from the local co-op with 3 tons of ammonium nitrate. The only requirement is that I have a bill of laden in my truck (stating the composition of the fertilize) and there is a placard on the buggy. No CDL required, no health card, etc.....

Just like I could purchase an 18 wheeler and operate it within 150 miles of my home w/o a CDL if I was transporting items to or from my farm. No health card, no DOT inspection, no CDL for farmers.

I AM LEGAL according to this documentation. End of Discussion.

CDL does not apply to farms!!!

Now.... How do yall like my tank???

 

[FlaDon]

I have posted links to two documents that show that Farmers are exempt from Hazardous Materials Regulations.

Document #1 is from the ALFA (Alabama Farmer's Federation) website: http://www.alfafarmers.org/pdfs/agricultural_transport.pdf

This document specifically states on page 2 under Exceptions Apply To Agricultural Products That you can transport Agricultural Products, other than class 2 (propane or natural gases) without need to follow Hazardous Materials Regulations.

Document #1 is from the PHMSA (Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration) website: PHMSA - Library - Transporting Agricultural Products Safely

Both state that a farmer may transport up to 502 gallons of a liquid or gas agricultural products within 150 miles of his/her farm w/o following Hazardous Materials Regulations. It also states that you can transport of to 5,070 pounds of a solid product (amonium nitrate) without following hazmat regs and 16,094 pounds of bulk ammonium nitrate w/o following hazmat regs.

I know that yesterday I towed a fertilizer buggy from the local co-op with 3 tons of ammonium nitrate. The only requirement is that I have a bill of laden in my truck (stating the composition of the fertilize) and there is a placard on the buggy. No CDL required, no health card, etc.....

Just like I could purchase an 18 wheeler and operate it within 150 miles of my home w/o a CDL if I was transporting items to or from my farm. No health card, no DOT inspection, no CDL for farmers.

I AM LEGAL according to this documentation. End of Discussion.

CDL does not apply to farms!!!

Now.... How do yall like my tank???

There's a small gotcha in 49 CFR. 173.5

Read it closely as to where it applies..

ｧ 173.5 Agricultural operations.
(a) For other than a Class 2 material, the transportation of an agricultural product over local roads between fields of the same farm is excepted from the requirements of this subchapter. A Class 2 material transported over local roads between fields of the same farm is excepted from subparts G and H of part 172 of this subchapter. In either instance, transportation of the hazardous material is subject to the following conditions:

1) It is transported by a farmer who is an intrastate private motor carrier; and

(2) The movement of the agricultural product conforms to requirements of the State in which it is transported and is specifically authorized by a State statute or regulation in effect before October 1, 1998.

(b) The transportation of an agricultural product to or from a farm, within 150 miles of the farm, is excepted from the requirements in subparts G and H of part 172 of this subchapter and from the specific packaging requirements of this subchapter when:

(1) It is transported by a farmer who is an intrastate private motor carrier;

(2) The total amount of agricultural product being transported on a single motor vehicle does not exceed:

(i) 7,300 kg (16,094 lbs.) of ammonium nitrate fertilizer properly classed as Division 5.1, PG III, in a bulk packaging, or

(ii) 1900 L (502 gallons) for liquids or gases, or 2,300 kg (5,070 lbs.) for solids, of any other agricultural product;

(3) The movement and packaging of the agricultural product conform to the requirements of the State in which it is transported and are specifically authorized by a State statute or regulation in effect before October 1, 1998; and

(4) Each person having any responsibility for transporting the agricultural product or preparing the agricultural product for shipment has been instructed in the applicable requirements of this subchapter.

(c) Formulated liquid agricultural products in specification packagings of 220 L (58 gallons) capacity, or less, with closures manifolded to a closed mixing system and equipped with positive dry disconnect devices may be transported by a private motor carrier between a final distribution point and an ultimate point of application or for loading aboard an airplane for aerial application.

(d) See ｧ173.315(m) pertaining to nurse tanks of anhydrous ammonia.

(e) See ｧ173.6 pertaining to materials of trade.

(f) See ｧ172.800(b) pertaining to security plans.

Note "local roads between fields of the same farm" requirement for ag exemption under this rule. Or 172 G or H if under 150 miles. Subsection G is placarding and H is Hazmat SAFETY response training. Not that you don't have to be licensed to transport. Plus your state also would have had to have rules in place before Oct 1, 1998 and specifically allowing it.

 

[FlaDon]

How are you coming up with 42 gal?

To keep under the 1000 lb rule.

 

[number two]

To keep under the 1000 lb rule.

Perhaps that a barrel of crude oil is 42 gallons.Diesel fuel is about 7 pounds per gallon.

 

[Duffster]

I have posted links to two documents that show that Farmers are exempt from Hazardous Materials Regulations.

Document #1 is from the ALFA (Alabama Farmer's Federation) website: http://www.alfafarmers.org/pdfs/agricultural_transport.pdf

This document specifically states on page 2 under Exceptions Apply To Agricultural Products That you can transport Agricultural Products, other than class 2 (propane or natural gases) without need to follow Hazardous Materials Regulations.

Document #1 is from the PHMSA (Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration) website: PHMSA - Library - Transporting Agricultural Products Safely

Both state that a farmer may transport up to 502 gallons of a liquid or gas agricultural products within 150 miles of his/her farm w/o following Hazardous Materials Regulations. It also states that you can transport of to 5,070 pounds of a solid product (amonium nitrate) without following hazmat regs and 16,094 pounds of bulk ammonium nitrate w/o following hazmat regs.

I know that yesterday I towed a fertilizer buggy from the local co-op with 3 tons of ammonium nitrate. The only requirement is that I have a bill of laden in my truck (stating the composition of the fertilize) and there is a placard on the buggy. No CDL required, no health card, etc.....

Just like I could purchase an 18 wheeler and operate it within 150 miles of my home w/o a CDL if I was transporting items to or from my farm. No health card, no DOT inspection, no CDL for farmers.

I AM LEGAL according to this documentation. End of Discussion.

CDL does not apply to farms!!!

Now.... How do yall like my tank???

Now your a farmer, how convenient.

 

[firefighter9208]

I've lived on a 200 acre truck farm all my life. I currently have 20 acres of corn planted and several acres of pumpkins. I raise Boer Goats and custom finish Hogs.

Notice the title of the thread is "FARM FUEL TANK IDEAS".

I've never done this, but your now on my ignore list.

Thanks!

Chris