For the college folks

   / For the college folks #21  
Tell you what, right here in NY paid for by my hard earned tax dollars you can go to the Alfred State college and get yourself a degree in tow truck driving. Now I didn't believe that till I seen with my own eyes, so I went by and had a look. You spend some time riding around with a little tow truck barely big enough to haul a pickup, and tow a junk car, and then the State give you a diploma. The best part, that diploma qualifys the college kid to drive the biggest wrecker and do so legal.
I asked the professor fellow if he teach them how to pull the axel or the U joint to tow a truck, and he looks at me and asks why somebody would do that. Dam fool ain't got no idea and he's teaching college.

What program was it? I went on their website and I dont see any tow truck degrees. Here is what I found: Academic Programs | Alfred State College

Aaron Z
 
   / For the college folks #22  
Community colleges in particular offer lots of "degree" programs that are certification that you have had a certain level of training. Someone is not getting a BA or BS in tow truck operating. It is the same idea as going to a hand gun safety class where you get the necessary certifications. These programs can be a big help in trying to get the first job in a field.

Ken
 
   / For the college folks #23  
I would say bashing the diversity of education is a sad thing. The usefulness of some courses in real life is questionable, but YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE!!! In my younger days while taking A.P. engineering classes in high school the teacher (structural engineer) said that:
"Most of what you learn here you will or would be able to look up in books in real life. So. In years to come all you have to remember is where we can find the books."
I didn't become an engineer but I'm glad I took those classes.

Option to choose? Yes, in some cases, but there are certain requirements for different degrees that do not leave you any choice. For example, I had no choice but to take 4 English Literature classes. Now English composition is something I consider important, and some knowledge of English Literature might be good, but poetry??? How many remember a poem that ends:
The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
by Robert Frost?

The professor was asking students what they thought Frost's meaning was. It's been suggested that it was a suicidal thought. Unfortunately, the professor eventually got around to asking me what I thought Frost meant. I said, "Well, you know by the time he wrote that poem, he was well enough known that anything he wrote would be published, so I can't help but wonder if he had a sense of humor, and thought 'Just wait until some English professor tries to explain this nonsense a hundred years from now'" The professor just shook his head and turned away.:laughing: I asked him, "What practical use will any of us ever have for this poetry?" He didn't have an answer. But a couple of years later, when I graduated, he was on the stage helping hand out diplomas and shaking hands, and when I got to him, he whispered, "I still don't know what practical use you'll ever have for poetry.":laughing:

In years to come all you have to remember is where we can find the books

I guess you know that definitely applies to law degrees. Lawyers don't know much law; there are too many laws for that, so they just learn how and where to research both statutory and case law.
 
   / For the college folks #24  
What I have learned in college (43 credits at a unaccredited school, an AS at a community college and partway though a BS at another school) is how to find information and how to quickly sort the wheat form the chaff so to speak. The other thing that one should get from going to college is networking, making connections to local people who could be useful to know (or be known by) down the road.

Aaron Z
 
   / For the college folks #25  
I would say bashing the diversity of education is a sad thing. The usefulness of some courses in real life is questionable, but YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE!!! In my younger days while taking A.P. engineering classes in high school the teacher (structural engineer) said that:
"Most of what you learn here you will or would be able to look up in books in real life. So. In years to come all you have to remember is where we can find the books."
I didn't become an engineer but I'm glad I took those classes.

After 30 years in manufacturing, I can definitely attest to that statement!
 
   / For the college folks #26  
I had a "teaching moment" yesterday where I showed a student the book that had the statistical formulae he needed. I think I once met the guy who wrote the pertinent chapter, so that would put me at one degree of separation I suppose. When it comes to such mathematical formulae I am definitely a user of past knowledge. We don't want to ever get to the point where all knowledge is past knowledge. There has to be someone to write the next book.

Chuck
 
   / For the college folks #27  
While my field is engineering I don't regret for one second my liberal arts courses, they brought me to places I would never have gone to. Everyone should take a course in Ethics, taught by a good professor it is a beautiful course. A well designed liberal arts agenda teaches people to see the world in a less biased light and to learn about and explore other peoples, nationalities, cultures and religions. How many of you who haven't gone to college have learned about the conservation movement in this country? The origins of mathematics and algebra in the middle east? How the world rose up from the dark ages with the migration of knowledge into Spain by the Moors and then to Bologna in Italy that became the center of learning in Europe? How thought passes from the back integrative cortex to the front integrative cortex and how fear originates in the amygdala?

Yes, there are always courses that may be less valuable but the courses that truly change the individual exist also and there are a lot more of them.

The world is a better place when we educate ourselves.

"Knowledge is power"

Albert Einstein
 
   / For the college folks #28  
Option to choose? Yes, in some cases, but there are certain requirements for different degrees that do not leave you any choice. For example, I had no choice but to take 4 English Literature classes. Now English composition is something I consider important, and some knowledge of English Literature might be good, but poetry??? How many remember a poem that ends:

by Robert Frost?

The professor was asking students what they thought Frost's meaning was. It's been suggested that it was a suicidal thought. Unfortunately, the professor eventually got around to asking me what I thought Frost meant. I said, "Well, you know by the time he wrote that poem, he was well enough known that anything he wrote would be published, so I can't help but wonder if he had a sense of humor, and thought 'Just wait until some English professor tries to explain this nonsense a hundred years from now'" The professor just shook his head and turned away.:laughing: I asked him, "What practical use will any of us ever have for this poetry?" He didn't have an answer. But a couple of years later, when I graduated, he was on the stage helping hand out diplomas and shaking hands, and when I got to him, he whispered, "I still don't know what practical use you'll ever have for poetry.":laughing:



I guess you know that definitely applies to law degrees. Lawyers don't know much law; there are too many laws for that, so they just learn how and where to research both statutory and case law.

Whose woods these are, I do not know
So I'll ride my ATV here, I have a right you know.......

oops, wrong thread :laughing:
 
   / For the college folks #29  
Whose woods these are, I do not know
So I'll ride my ATV here, I have a right you know.......

oops, wrong thread :laughing:

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::laughing:

I confess, I've never 'gotten' poetry either. Well written prose is a delight though.

Well, to be completely honest, there is an extensive list of things I've never 'gotten' :D

You can think of college as an industrial training camp, or a general quest for knowledge and understanding. It is usually something of both I think.

For me, even in subjects I may not have expected to enjoy, it was all about the professor. Some can transmit their love of a subject area, challenge your beliefs, make you think about things.

In defense of Liberal Arts, very few 18-22 yr. olds know what they really want to do for a first career. It's good to get exposure to many disciplines. It's not always a good idea to marry the only girl you ever dated - right? Youth is the time when a person is free to make choices and try things out. Even if a person is certain they want to be an engineer for example, they owe it to themselves to have a basis for comparison.

Yes, I did play badminton for a required PE elective in my BS degree. Took bowling too. :) What the heck, do it and get over it. The indoor badminton was actually a fast-paced and fun game if you brought a little sense of competition to it, of course that's what makes any game more fun.
Dave.
 
   / For the college folks #30  
Poetry is not my strong suit either but if we dump it we have to dump art and music. Someone could walk into a class knowing nothing about poetry and fall in love with it for a lifetime. I think it's important to be exposed to poetry, prose, art and great music.

My two cents.

Rob
 

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