GC parking brake popped out! Damage pics.

[Don87]

It ALL comes down to Massey failing to perform extensive testing on the "parking brake system" in general. I am meeting with them all Monday, we will see where I go from there.
I believe that there is another issue of the dealer not following thru on their part, and trying to deliver me a "half-repaired machine".

Wacky, you had posted earlier, that you could not duplicate the 'partially set scenario. Can you borrow the pics posted here, to take with you to hand to the rep?

And good luck with the dealer, sorry to hear what they are doing.
Oh, by the way, I purchased the loader assembly seperately after I bought the tractor. Mine was 3,350 installed, and included the joystick assembly.
Hope this helps,

 

[Wacky]

Don, I had sent the pics directly to the rep. He forwarded them to engineering. I believe he thinks there is a problem, otherwise, he would not have sent them, IMO. The pics I think CLEARLY show the problem which was responsible for the "accident" to begin with.

Any info I am gathering off this website is helpful, again, thank you all for the help:thumbsup:! Hoping this all comes to an end soon!

 

[Mike476]

I agree. Very fortunate no one was hurt, it would still be considered an accident that might have been avoided had all precautions been taken.

Wacky, I think most everyone here agrees the parking brake should be engineered to be substantial enough to hold the weight of the tractor in most conditions, extreme inclines aside. The reference to chocks in the manual is their disclaimer, thus the comment "had all precautions been taken". Not meant as a slight towards you, simply offering the likely response of any manufacturer concerned enough to include a statement like that to cover the proverbial hiney.

Hope things work out well tomorrow, best of luck. :thumbsup:

 

[ray66v]

I have looked at it from both sides, I believe that if you label something as a "Parking Brake" it should be just that. I know farmers around here and not one carries blocks to park their tractors on hills, and yes they do park on hills. Are they taking a risk? Perhaps. Be that as it may, the Parking Brake should NOT be able to be set 'partially', making the risk of what happened.. greatly increased.

Please don't think I was beating up on you.

I was discussing the accident from a purely legal aspect.

Morally, the evidence suggests MF has some responsibility here.

It's likely that if the parking brake had held, your tractor would still be where you left it.

However, if you only pack one parachute, because one is enough, as long as it works like it is supposed to. How liable would the manufacturer be for your death, since you made the decision not to back it up with a reserve?

Accepting responsibility for their failure from a moral stand point, is up to them.

From their stand point, how do they know you did set the parking brake?

For the record, I believe you did set the brake.

From a legal stand point, there appears to be potential for future problems here for MF Corp. If accidents like this continue to occur, they will establish for a fact, that there is a defect, and make proving their share of liability easy.

I would expect a recall repair, in the future.

 

[Wacky]

I agree. Very fortunate no one was hurt, it would still be considered an accident that might have been avoided had all precautions been taken.

Wacky, I think most everyone here agrees the parking brake should be engineered to be substantial enough to hold the weight of the tractor in most conditions, extreme inclines aside. The reference to chocks in the manual is their disclaimer, thus the comment "had all precautions been taken". Not meant as a slight towards you, simply offering the likely response of any manufacturer concerned enough to include a statement like that to cover the proverbial hiney.

Hope things work out well tomorrow, best of luck. :thumbsup:

I see your point.....however, there is instances stated in this thread that state the brake did not stay set either. All precautions taken or not the brake should not disengage without the operators assistance.

 

[Wacky]

Please don't think I was beating up on you.



1... Don't get me wrong. I didn't think you were.



From their stand point, how do they know you did set the parking brake?



2...It is shown here that others have similar issues.

For the record, I believe you did set the brake.

3...Thank you, now just convincing them.

From a legal stand point, there appears to be potential for future problems here for MF Corp. If accidents like this continue to occur, they will establish for a fact, that there is a defect, and make proving their share of liability easy.

I would expect a recall repair, in the future.

I aggree.

 

[Mike476]

I see your point.....however, there is instances stated in this thread that state the brake did not stay set either. All precautions taken or not the brake should not disengage without the operators assistance.

Like I said Wacky, not meant as a slight towards you and yes I believe a parking brake, on ANY vehicle, should be engineered to be more than adequate to hold the weight of that vehicle.

As Ray said, morally there is a level of responsibility that should be acknowledged by the manufacturer, legally the disclaimer would make trying to leverage that moral responsibility unlikely.

 

[rjmack]

it seems that the park brake is designed from the perspective of a conventional pulling tractor, whereas these scut's are really extreme service all-terrain machines.

i bet the day will come when these scut's (all brands) have 4 wheel, or at least, hydraulic brake systems on them, it's just a matter of time. the need is certainly there.

most times i get in a bind where the machine starts to go and i instinctively hit the brake pedal, it doesn't do much good anyway. the brakes just aren't up to the task.

given the grade that wacky parked that machine on, i'm surprised the brake held at all, even for long enough for him to get off the machine.

 

[Wacky]

given the grade that wacky parked that machine on, i'm surprised the brake held at all, even for long enough for him to get off the machine.

Why is that? I have parked many things, including my truck on that hill. My old Ford 3000 diesel, which out weighs the GC by far, which, I might add, has a much better braking system all together. That being said, I would not have ever left the seat of the GC if there was even a hint it was not going to hold at all.

 

[Don87]

I also did not intend to offend anyone.
Just pointing out the fact that the design of the parking brake is flawed. That has been proven by the pictures.
The foot brake on mine will hold very well, but when the parking brake is applied, some of the tension is relieved by the design of the locking mechanism, which will allow the machine to move on a steep slope(I've tried it).
Which all leads back to flaws in the original design.