For the college folks

[Rob-D]

Psychology...don't forget the "S" and try spelling it phonetically.

As far as typing....I'm so bad at typing...well, pretty pathetic.
Before computers and word processors, we had typewriters and correction fluid. Believe me, I spent so much money on correction fluid and other types of correction media, I should have bought stock in those companies.

Roy and Pete,
A lot of engineers can't spell for whatever reason. I'm better now, most times I can get it down enough to spell check the word but it doesn't bother me especially. Now if I couldn't do math, that would bug me, I can build a circuit with bad spelling but leave out the math and it's over.
I pride myself on being able to do higher math as I imagine most engineers do. The world is a different place today. Sure you can go live in an isolated location off the land without computers, electronics and cars but no one here does that. Those designs take people who have been educated, a hundred years ago it was easier to get by without an education because the sophistication of products didn't require the expertise it does today. Our lives are easier today because of the sciences that only come with a college education.
We need the common laborer who can't get through college but we also need the college educated individual. There's a place for both, we need the guy to design the building and the grunt to lift the material to build it along with the skilled and semi-skilled workers in between who can run a crane 40 stories up but can't do Riemann Spheres.

Rob

 

[Transit]

(removed), it is a mental disorder, the syndrome is called Being Educated beyond Ones Intelligence. There is also another Career, The Professional Student.
Come to think of it, one of my co-workers has a step daughter that spent 10 years at NYU studying photography, Mama spent $ 100,000, because said daughter needed to live on campus, no riding the bus for her. [ read between the lines] Her Major WAS the Cramer Obscura, that is the fancy name for a cramer without a lenses, it uses a Pin Hole for a lenses instead very $$$$$. At no time has said step daughter photographed any one of dozens of family events.
Then she re-thinks collage in her senior year and goes to Beauty School, works as a waitress at a hash house, Uncle is the general manager of a national upscale Stake House, door to door sales for Mary K. Finaly goes back to school to become a Medical Photographer, dose not last 6 seconds, cannot stand the sight of blood. Go figure! Never did graduate, spent a few years in a drug induced fog in LA shack up with someone that was studying, Uh..... Air or something, step dad and her brother flew to LA, stuffed her into a sake and dragged her home. She has had an on - off relshonship with some Dutch guy she meet a NYU, what he sees in her I do not know. Well yes, great boobs and a knock out, dumber that stamp glue.
BTW, she is Garth, or use to be, grew up at 30. But don't hold your breath. :confused2:

 

[Transit]

Rob-D, we have trouble spelling because our brains are WIRED that way. English is not a very logical language.
Be, Bee. No, know.

 

[Rob-D]

Here's a real story about a kid who was a real screw up. he wrecked his parents cars and when he got out of high school started to work detailing cars through a job his father got him.
He was smart enough to see his life wasn't going anywhere and went back to college. He couldn't get through the math and came to me for 2 or 3 years. I tutored him and he worked his but off the get a degree.
He got a high salary job that he hated and came back home and started working in the kitchen at a retirement home. He worked hard and the staff liked him. One day a job came up that he really liked at the home and when they found out he had a degree they gave him a try out at it. He excelled because he learned how to work for goals and complete projects. College taught him how to organize material and structure the work and people under him. Today he's a happy kid with a good salary doing a job he truly enjoys.

That's what college did for him. You never lose educating yourself.

Rob

 

[RoyJackson]

Here's a real story about a kid who was a real screw up. he wrecked his parents cars and when he got out of high school started to work detailing cars through a job his father got him.
He was smart enough to see his life wasn't going anywhere and went back to college. He couldn't get through the math and came to me for 2 or 3 years. I tutored him and he worked his but off the get a degree.
He got a high salary job that he hated and came back home and started working in the kitchen at a retirement home. He worked hard and the staff liked him. One day a job came up that he really liked at the home and when they found out he had a degree they gave him a try out at it. He excelled because he learned how to work for goals and complete projects. College taught him how to organize material and structure the work and people under him. Today he's a happy kid with a good salary doing a job he truly enjoys.

That's what college did for him. You never lose educating yourself.

Rob

But that education doesn't have to be from college. As written previously, experience gives one quite an education.
As far as learning organization and structuring...college may force you to learn that...and it is important, but those skills are better obtained through going up the ranks. Either method is just as valid.
And, unfortunately, colleges have come up with programs for those who cannot hack the math. An engineering job requires some pretty sophisticated math...so for those who can't handle that, that came up with an MET (Mechanical Engineering Technology) degree. Sort of an ME wannabee. I know two folks with those degrees, neither of which would make a pimple on an engineer's azz.
Even then, that math is available to non-degreed folks who can apply it every bit as well.
Now, for the theoretical...and most math theory came from folks hundreds of years ago...that's were the degree can be handy. But you still need those folks who can take that theory and apply it in a practical sense.

So, why don't I have a degree? Well, I had to work for a living. The sole benefit of a degree is as a sales tool (selling one's self to an employer). It's a sad reflection on the U.S. economy and society that so much value is placed upon something so trivial.

BTW...that economic crash of 2008? Those were MBA's making the decisions that took this country down...

 

[user.69169]

Hey (removed)--Your mastery of the spoken word seems to have improved considerably. No offense meant, your narratives about Ethylene are hilariously entertaining. You also have a keen eye observing the human condition.

No offense taken there Mike, but there are plenty who'd tell you callin me a master of English is about like calling a pig an airline pilot. You ever heard me talking you just might be laughing, I do a little better writing things down cause my brain trys to make what I write look like something I read someplace along the line. I've only got a bit over 2 years schoolhouse learning, pretty much the rest of what I know came from reading about anything I could get my hands on cause of where and how I gerw up. Funny thing was when I finally got to the schoolhouse when I was working for a farmer who lived close to town the teachers had one heck of a time with me with knowing things ahead of schedule they called it.

Far as observing goes I spent 50+ years looking out at the world through a windshield, so I guess I got a lot of practice. Other thing is I do what #5 calls ask inappropriate questions. I don't see how any question is inappropriate, but she keeps telling me they are. Seems to me if dsomebody don't want to answer a question they don't. I can pretty much draw my own conclusion then.

Glad youre enjoying Ethelene, she might be needing to light out of Sissy's place so if you like you can send your address. That woman is sure an experience. Since she left it's like I just sprayed inside my sleepercab with Raid to get shed of all the skeeters and found out it has fleas too. I sure know why Robert so happy she lit out on him.

 

[Rob-D]

But that education doesn't have to be from college. As written previously, experience gives one quite an education.
As far as learning organization and structuring...college may force you to learn that...and it is important, but those skills are better obtained through going up the ranks. Either method is just as valid.
And, unfortunately, colleges have come up with programs for those who cannot hack the math. An engineering job requires some pretty sophisticated math...so for those who can't handle that, that came up with an MET (Mechanical Engineering Technology) degree. Sort of an ME wannabee. I know two folks with those degrees, neither of which would make a pimple on an engineer's azz.
Even then, that math is available to non-degreed folks who can apply it every bit as well.
Now, for the theoretical...and most math theory came from folks hundreds of years ago...that's were the degree can be handy. But you still need those folks who can take that theory and apply it in a practical sense.

So, why don't I have a degree? Well, I had to work for a living. The sole benefit of a degree is as a sales tool (selling one's self to an employer). It's a sad reflection on the U.S. economy and society that so much value is placed upon something so trivial.

BTW...that economic crash of 2008? Those were MBA's making the decisions that took this country down...

Yes, but degrees took us to the moon, gave us the computers we use today, and the operation your child needs tomorrow. Plenty of jobs can be done without degrees and that's why I said we need both people. Today we have a world that simply wouldn't run without a college education. From the car you drive to the bridge you go over to get to work.

The professor who tells you you can get the formula and charts from a book is overlooking the fact that you need to know the value of that chart. Give someone without simple trig a table of sine functions and they wouldn't know what to do with it.
I use math everyday. I got that knowledge from an education. You don't just pick up a book and do Fast Fourier Transforms, there's a whole process to getting there. I don't want to go over a bridge that was built by someone who got a book on beam stress analysis, I want someone who got an education in structural engineering, a civil engineer.
Rob

 

[Mike Costello]

No offense taken there Mike, but there are plenty who'd tell you callin me a master of English is about like calling a pig an airline pilot. You ever heard me talking you just might be laughing, I do a little better writing things down cause my brain trys to make what I write look like something I read someplace along the line. I've only got a bit over 2 years schoolhouse learning, pretty much the rest of what I know came from reading about anything I could get my hands on cause of where and how I gerw up. Funny thing was when I finally got to the schoolhouse when I was working for a farmer who lived close to town the teachers had one heck of a time with me with knowing things ahead of schedule they called it.

Far as observing goes I spent 50+ years looking out at the world through a windshield, so I guess I got a lot of practice. Other thing is I do what #5 calls ask inappropriate questions. I don't see how any question is inappropriate, but she keeps telling me they are. Seems to me if dsomebody don't want to answer a question they don't. I can pretty much draw my own conclusion then.

Glad youre enjoying Ethelene, she might be needing to light out of Sissy's place so if you like you can send your address. That woman is sure an experience. Since she left it's like I just sprayed inside my sleepercab with Raid to get shed of all the skeeters and found out it has fleas too. I sure know why Robert so happy she lit out on him.

I think I will decline sending my address, as Ethylene and I would positively not get along, probably because you and I think quite a lot alike. Like you, I'm an observer & a questioner. This has served me well over the decades, and believe me, I've seen plenty!

 

[Taylortractornut]

Im 30 and went to school with a guy that is still in school. He told me Id do better if I got a degree like he did and I wouldnt have to work in a landfill. I told him I wanted to work there and that I turned down construction jobs all over the country. I m a certified machinist by trade. I saw him the other day and he was bragging about all the polaces hes been to school. Canada, Germany, Scotland, and a couple years at the junior college here and and 4 at Ole Miss. He swears he learned more at the junior college. I learned alot myself in Junior college though i did have a head start in being a machinist.

The thing about him that bothers me is he has all the book learning in the world and thinks he is better than everyone esle. But he has no common sense what so ever. He worked for me one time on a job that I was an operator on. He told me I needed to go to mor e college to further myself in front of my workers. I told him right there that I was the one in the air conditioned cab with a stereo and he was the one in the ditch with a shovel and prybar. The only thing I did notice he could do really well was he knew how to ask for marijuana in 3 different languages. I dont find that a marketable skill here lol.

He got assigned to go with me from here to Independence Kentucky to pick up a boom truck the company bought. The truck had a bad brake chamber and a few other problems. He freaked out when he found out we had to ride a Greyhound with a set of tools and luggage. This was in 01 and i didnt have a cell phone and almost lost it when he found out his phone didnt work most of the time. He couldnt even figure our bus changes. I dont see how he got by in Germany and Scotland. Hes now inrolled in some paranormal and environmental science college.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Im 30 and went to school with a guy that is still in school. He told me Id do better if I got a degree like he did and I wouldnt have to work in a landfill. I told him I wanted to work there and that I turned down construction jobs all over the country. I m a certified machinist by trade. I saw him the other day and he was bragging about all the polaces hes been to school. Canada, Germany, Scotland, and a couple years at the junior college here and and 4 at Ole Miss. He swears he learned more at the junior college. I learned alot myself in Junior college though i did have a head start in being a machinist.

The thing about him that bothers me is he has all the book learning in the world and thinks he is better than everyone esle. But he has no common sense what so ever. He worked for me one time on a job that I was an operator on. He told me I needed to go to mor e college to further myself in front of my workers. I told him right there that I was the one in the air conditioned cab with a stereo and he was the one in the ditch with a shovel and prybar. The only thing I did notice he could do really well was he knew how to ask for marijuana in 3 different languages. I dont find that a marketable skill here lol.

He got assigned to go with me from here to Independence Kentucky to pick up a boom truck the company bought. The truck had a bad brake chamber and a few other problems. He freaked out when he found out we had to ride a Greyhound with a set of tools and luggage. This was in 01 and i didnt have a cell phone and almost lost it when he found out his phone didnt work most of the time. He couldnt even figure our bus changes. I dont see how he got by in Germany and Scotland. Hes now inrolled in some paranormal and environmental science college.

This fellow sounds like the people that Louis Grizzard, well known writer and novelist from Georgia, was referring to when he suggested that they were educated beyond their intelligence. Unfortunately, for some, the degree is the evidence of their intelligence. The most impressive people to me, with or without a degree, are those who are problem solvers, who think objectively and take positions based on facts. If I hear someone say "the fact is I think" I immediately suspect that they have a weak argument. Ideally, one should evolve from the hypothesis to the thesis based upon facts and evidence. How often does one see another adapt a position without thinking and try to make an argument to support the position? One sees it in politics frequently.

Jim