Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull

   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #61  
Well, Russ, you asked, so I gotta answer....at the risk of taking this thread into a wild ride.

I recently sold some 500 lb heifers for about $1.20 a lb.

The OP raises mini-Herefords, I raise Beefmasters which is a different breed. I (and any other purebred breeder) can fill your ears with why "my" breed has many advantages compared to other breeds.

It's an emotional discussion founded on what you have in your pasture, what your daddy raised, your beliefs and total experience as a cowman, and your terrain/environment.

Fundamentally, to be happy and successful in the cow business (I didn't say profitable, different story), you need to understand your self and ability to handle cattle, your terrain, your forage/feed, environment, weather, local insect/parasite/illness problems, your equipment and facilities to carry cattle, to mention a few things.

No breed is perfect, no breed will work for all people in any location on the globe. Yet, any breed COULD work for SOMEBODY in ANY location.

Example, I wouldn't have a Hereford on the place. Problems where I live include tropical decline, ticks/insects, pink eye, eye cancers, they all look alike, heat intolerance, etc. They work well where they came from, Hereford, England.

AND YET, the OP has given valid reasons for his having his mini-Herefords and likely they will work well for him and he will enjoy them. I applaud his activities.

AND, Cyril has yet a different breed in a different part of the country and it's working for him. He's a hands on breeder. I understand that. I was too and enjoyed it...until I got tired of being pushed around by a herd of 25+ cattle that treated me just like a member of the herd. Ever get into a dominance discussion with with a 1400lb momma cow?? Won that discussion and fortunately my 2200lb bull had never been gentled to hands on, thus he retained his respect of me.

I once saw a comment from a true cowman, "There is more variance within a breed than between breeds." I believe it. The challenge is to obtain and retain the specific individual animals that fully meet your specific needs and unique animal husbandry situation. Ah, yes, therein lies the rub.:laughing:

Let the flames begin.:D
 
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   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #62  
texasjohn I got another question kinda off topic but can you give me an idea on the cost of what a heifer would run.and do you raise just herefords?up here where I live you don't see many herefords.I asked my neighabor who runs a cattle ranch and he said faceflys seem to hone in on herefords more than angus. russ


I'm not texasjohn, but I can tell you that there are many factors that would determine a heifer price. Size and age would be big factors. Also: bred/open, registered or not, lot of other things. Right now I see weaned calves selling for $1.10/ pound and up, one lot on TV went for $1.68/pound. Regarding the flies, I don't really buy it. Many farmers have their favorite breeds, and tend to try to find faults with other breeds. I grew up raising Herefords, and now have a couple of angus (until I can find some Herefords). These black cows have plenty of flies if I don't take care of them.

Edit: I see texasjohn was typing as I was.
 
   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #63  
Well, Russ, you asked, so I gotta answer....at the risk of taking this thread into a wild ride.

I recently sold some 500 lb heifers for about $1.20 a lb.

The OP raises mini-Herefords, I raise Beefmasters which is a different breed. I (and any other purebred breeder) can fill your ears with why "my" breed has many advantages compared to other breeds.

It's an emotional discussion founded on what you have in your pasture, what your daddy raised, your beliefs and total experience as a cowman, and your terrain/environment.

Fundamentally, to be happy and successful in the cow business (I didn't say profitable, different story), you need to understand your self and ability to handle cattle, your terrain, your forage/feed, environment, weather, local insect/parasite/illness problems, your equipment and facilities to carry cattle, to mention a few things.

No breed is perfect, no breed will work for all people in any location on the globe. Yet, any breed COULD work for SOMEBODY in ANY location.

Example, I wouldn't have a Hereford on the place. Problems where I live include tropical decline, ticks/insects, pink eye, eye cancers, they all look alike, heat intolerance, etc. They work well where they came from, Hereford, England.

AND YET, the OP has given valid reasons for his having his mini-Herefords and likely they will work well for him and he will enjoy them. I applaud his activities.

AND, Cyril has yet a different breed in a different part of the country and it's working for him. He's a hands on breeder. I understand that. I was too and enjoyed it...until I got tired of being pushed around by a herd of 25+ cattle that treated me just like a member of the herd. Ever get into a dominance discussion with with a 1400lb momma cow?? Won that discussion and fortunately my 2200lb bull had never been gentled to hands on, thus he retained his respect of me.

I once saw a comment from a true cowman, "There is more variance within a breed than between breeds." I believe it. The challenge is to obtain and retain the specific individual animals that fully meet your specific needs and unique animal husbandry situation. Ah, yes, therein lies the rub.:laughing:

Let the flames begin.:D

Well said. One of the biggest things with the hands on approach is not allowing them to accept you as "one of the herd". You definately have to remain seperate. We raise Registered Scottish Highlands and being as they are horned, being one of the herd is a bad thing. Discipline is very important and a smack on the end of the nose equates to a spanking for a cow.

The benifets of hands on are things like easy handling, Giving a call to have them come running from a 1/4 mile away when you want them, simply calling them and having them follow you from pasture to pasture for moving them. Even when full and lazy, they'll get up and come to my call within a minute or two.

Some of this I believe also comes from the breed and having been domesticated in close human contact for a couple thousand years. The early Celtic tribes actually kept them in their tents at night to keep other tribes from stealing them.:laughing:

As you have said, for each person who wishes, there is a right breed and a right way of handling. What works well for one may not work for another. The great part though is that we can each help one another through the sharing of our knowledge & experiance and the pleasure of our stories, both good and bad.:thumbsup:
 
   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #64  
Some of this I believe also comes from the breed and having been domesticated in close human contact for a couple thousand years. The early Celtic tribes actually kept them in their tents at night to keep other tribes from stealing them.:laughing:

QUOTE]

Wait a second, you told me the other day that you still slept with the cows when you got cold because the wife sent you to the farm..:confused2:
Do I need to call her and ask for the real scoop here????

Celtic / Cyril... pretty close match.... :laughing:

Are you trying to tell us a little story here old friend????:D:laughing::laughing:

and Bill Engvall says...................................


J
 
   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #65  
Some of this I believe also comes from the breed and having been domesticated in close human contact for a couple thousand years. The early Celtic tribes actually kept them in their tents at night to keep other tribes from stealing them.:laughing:

QUOTE]

Wait a second, you told me the other day that you still slept with the cows when you got cold because the wife sent you to the farm..:confused2:
Do I need to call her and ask for the real scoop here????

Celtic / Cyril... pretty close match.... :laughing:

Are you trying to tell us a little story here old friend????:D:laughing::laughing:

and Bill Engvall says...................................


J

Well, I can still feed you some bull.:laughing:

Pun intended.:thumbsup:
 
   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #67  
   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #69  
Thanks for the info you all,when I get my fence done I'm definitely gonna look at the miniatures. There used to be a dairy farmer since deceased that lived down the road from me and he told me that a Holstein bull was one critter you needed to have a lot of respect for. russ
 
   / Mystery of the Flying Walenda/Houdini Bull #70  
he told me that a Holstein bull was one critter you needed to have a lot of respect for. russ

All bulls need to be respected. But, for a few reasons, dairy bulls in general can be the worst. Many are bottle fed and don't have respect for human authority, and many get extremely large. That being said, even a mini bull will hurt you.
 

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