School me on the Tombstone

   / School me on the Tombstone #11  
The members of these tractor forums really like to talk about welding with AC. On the welding forums they'll run you out of town on a rail!:laughing:
A few months ago I decided to give it a try, other than Tig welding aluminum I couldn't remember the last time I welded with AC, if ever!:D Once I got passed the sound:confused2: I didn't see much difference from DC.

I ran a vertical up hill open root V-plate, and an overhead plate with 6011.
 

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   / School me on the Tombstone
  • Thread Starter
#12  
Shield Arc,
I am sure my welds will look just like yours :D

Yep... most welders I speak with say you need this &*^&^ machine ($1500) and a bottle ($250), this hood ($300), etc etc. I could buy all new implements by the time I welded anything.

I doubt I will be welding overhead anytime soon. I remember watching a pipe fitter weld a joint overhead with a mirror.

I know nothing about welding but your welds look great to me!
 
   / School me on the Tombstone #13  
Shield Arc,
I am sure my welds will look just like yours

Sure why not? Next Tuesday it will be two whole weeks for my welding experience.;):)


I'm kind of particular about my welding machines, but there is no reason for you to be that way, get the best deal you can, and go with that. I don't use those fancy auto hoods, good ol Huntsman works just fine for me, I'm use to flipping it down, like I said almost two whole weeks now.


If you do buy an AC only machine, do yourself a big favor, buy some Hobart 335A 6011, easiest rod you'll ever run!
 
   / School me on the Tombstone #14  
I got my first welder off the side of the road, Literally was in a garbage pile.

It was an old AC thunderbolt, similar specs to the tombstone I believe. cobbled it back to life, scavenged some leads. That thing lasted me 30 years, and welded everything a small contractor ever needed.

Just recently upgraded to an AC/DC thunderbolt. once you have DC you wont us AC except for certain apps that require it. I think AC will do you just fine for starters (maybe the next 30 years).

JB.
 
   / School me on the Tombstone #15  
I weld everyday for a living,have been since 74.Now i do mostly TIG,and 99% stainless.Anyway.....for somebody just dinkin around out in the shop,AC is fine.I had a Lincoln Tombstone AC for years.My Dad had one since i could remember.Good economical machine,very dependable.Its no match for what i use at work but then that machine costs about 20 times what a tombstone costs.
As a matter of fact,out in my shop is a Lincoln AC/DC version of the old reliable tombstone.The only reason i got rid of my AC is because i wanted to hook up a TIG torch for use on steel,and you need DC for that...but thats another story.


The AC machines are fine for what you want to do,unless you WANT to spend more $$$:)............................Digger2
 
   / School me on the Tombstone #16  
In the big city of Athens, GA, you should be able to find a local welding class that's pretty cheap. Take the class. Then buy whatever welder suits you after you play around with the machines available to the class. :thumbsup:
 
   / School me on the Tombstone #17  
I think an AC225 Lincoln (or equivalent AC only welder) will easily do all you plan for it. You were asking how thin they can weld: Lincoln rates the AC225 at 16 gauge (roughly 0.062 inches)and thicker metal. That said, it will take practice on the thin stuff to avoid burn through. AC power will run almost every common steel rod that DC will except for 6010 rod which is DC only. 6011 works very well on AC and performs similarly to 6010 so no problem just use the 6011 on the rusty steel. 6013, 7014, and 7018AC rods all work well too on AC power. Have not tried it yet, but I have read that Messer 80T AC is a dream rod for an AC power unit.

I have never used DC so I can not comment on it, but the experts claim DC is easier to use in out of position applications, and sometimes slightly easier to use on the thinner metals as you have the option of reversing the polarities with DC. That said, many projects have been built with AC only welders - it just takes a slightly different technique to get the job done. AC welders are darn near indestructable too and can be bought used so cheaply as they are much more common. Of course, if you find a deal on AC/DC then snatch it for the added capability of DC.

Also for a primitive backyard work shop (like mine) the AC arc welder can serve as more than just a welder and actually can become a true multi-purpose tool. How would you like to heat metal to bend it, loosen rusted nuts, braze, silver solder, and even improvise flame fill weld without owning an oxy/acetylene torch - never have to worry about storing explosive gasses, running out of gas when everywhere to get gas is closed, or pay the premium of simply buying the gas which is expensive. Add a twin carbon arc torch to your buzzbox arc welder and you can easily perform these functions by using cheap carbon rods which last a long time -the only real expense of using it is the electricity to feed the welder which is cheap compared to buying gas. A Twin carbon arc torch can be made for nearly free (or bought cheaply) and you have an intense flame needed to perform all these functions listed, but it WILL NOT cut metal so do not confuse a Twin carbon arc torch for the carbon gouging process which is totally different process. Twin carbon arc can actually burn up to 1000 degrees hotter than oxy acetleyne if desired. Believe it or not though, crude cutting of metal and piercing holes in metal can be done with the AC arc welder and the regular stinger by simply using 6011 rods (some soak the rods in water) and cranking up the amps to pierce holes and make crude cuts - instructions on how to do this can even be found in the Lincoln manual.

As you can see a simple AC buzzbox welder, can potentially add much more capability to a shop than just as a welding unit alone.
 
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   / School me on the Tombstone #18  
My 18 YO Lincoln welder has ac, dc and dc reverse polarity.

I find the rev polarity with 7018 rod does a beautiful job for me.
 
   / School me on the Tombstone #19  
Miller Electric's web site has some good free educational stuff on it. Not much "video" on "stick" welding, but good basic instruction booklets for free download. Their MIG and TIG sections have good short video's, etc.
Miller - Resources - Improving Your Skills
Lots of free booklet downloads on various weld processes, their materials "for sale" are good (but not much on "stick" weldiing).
Best is to find someone who will spend an hour "looking over your shoulder" to get you going on the basics.
 
   / School me on the Tombstone
  • Thread Starter
#20  
Shield Arc,
Not sure I am buying the 2 week thing. :laughing: Thanks for the advice on the rods.

Jb4310,
That is what keeps making me wonder if I should drop the extra $100-200 for a AC/DC machine. Is DC easier to learn? or would I be able to tell a difference being new?

Digger2,
Well, I was only 2 years old in 74, so I think you got a leg up on me. :D

2manyrocks,
I actually live in Madison about 40 min from Athens, but nobody knows where that is so I put Athens. With 3 boys and the constant schedule it just don't leave time to drive to school after work etc.

rankrank1
That is some great info! I will look into that. So how do you cut metal? I have a portaband, angle grinder etc. I would really like to not store gas bottles, but unsure the best way to cut a notch out of metal without some form of cutting torch.

rmdaniels47,
Thanks for the link and research. I will read up!
 

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