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Is 2500 hours a lot on a 17 hp 3 cyl diesel? Looking at a Ford 1220 4x4 w/ backhoe and fel asking $8k. Also I have seen other brands with similar hours on them in my price range and I'm not sure if I'm risking my $$.

Thanks,
Rob
 
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Does that mean after 2000 hours the dealers are expecting things to go wrong or hoping that things will go wrong?:laughing:
 
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Insurance is the game of odds..Vegas stuff..So my guess is the odds are, anything over 2000 hrs has more risk..
 
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Yeah, that's slowly sinking in. I'm looking to buy my first tractor and this one is everything I'm looking for but with that many hours, I don't want to risk that much money, even if I can get it down to $7k. Thanks for the input!
 
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I would consider 4000-5000 hours a lot on any small diesel. My definition of low hours used would be 1200-1500 hours. Depends how many hours a year you think you will be using the tractor. At 2500 hours it is still a very strong and worthwhile tractor.
 
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5-600 hrs is my limit when buying used..That is just me.. But then it cost you more money and if you are not a mechanic it gets tougher...
 
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Thanks for messing with my head Whistlepig! I have talked to a couple of mechanic friends, who know diesels, not necessarily tractors but they're smart guys and they weren't afraid of the hours. I won't be putting a ton of hours on it as I've got two little ones runnin' around that need my attention that being said there will be days when I'll be looking to jump on that tractor for some R&R!
 
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What shape is it in? Does it look well maintained? When you try it out pay attention to the pins (all the joints in the loader and backhoe have grease fittings). Chances are there will be some play in them but if it's excessive or they look dry like they've never seen grease then it's a good chance the tractor wasn't well maintained.

You can also have a small sample of oil sent out to a lab. For very little they will tell you what's in the oil. They check for things like excessive bearing wear, radiator fluid, etc.
 
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Thanks crazyal. I'm going to look at it today if all goes well and I'll add what you suggested to my growing checklist. If I think it's o.k. is it unreasonable to give the owner a small deposit and have it checked out by my diesel mechanic friend when I go to pick it up? Can I expect a deposit back if he says it has some major issues that I missed?

Thanks again,
Rob
 
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Thanks crazyal. I'm going to look at it today if all goes well and I'll add what you suggested to my growing checklist. If I think it's o.k. is it unreasonable to give the owner a small deposit and have it checked out by my diesel mechanic friend when I go to pick it up? Can I expect a deposit back if he says it has some major issues that I missed?

Thanks again,
Rob

Nothing is unreasonable if the seller agrees to it. It would be better (IMHO) if you can take your friend on the first visit.
 
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True, Roy, true. I should be able to tell what type of person I'm dealing with by his response.

I would bring him but he's also the one with the trailer and truck that will haul it home and the tractor is an hour and a half away so it's a lot to ask to make the trip twice.
 
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On a small tractor that seems like a lot to me. If you want to take your chances you can get tractors a lot cheaper.

Chris
 
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There are 8760 hours in a year.

If you ran a tractor 8 hours per day, every day for a year, that would put 2920 hours on the clock.

If you ran a tractor 8 hours per day every weekday for a year, with time off for weekends, federal holidays, and 30 days vacation away, that would put 1768 hours on the clock.

A landscaper company may run that tractor 4 hours a day average, with a lot of idle time (unless they're really tight on fuel costs), so that's 884 hours a year of pretty heavy use.

Farm tractor use is really variable. You might be running it 16 hours during haying, harvesting, or planting season. And it might get a 30 minutes to an hour total during the day in the winter. Depends on the tractor and the farm. Hobby farms will probably see even less.

Weekend warriors are likely to put maybe an hour on the clock during the week, and maybe 4 to 8 max during the weekend. But they don't do that every weekend. Which means it takes a long time to add hours.

I look at a used tractor with 2500 hours on it, i figure it's either it's old, or it's been used hard. Expect problems with it. Know ballpark of how much repairs will cost. Go over it with a fine toothed comb, and add those probable costs to the sale price. It might not look like such a bargain afterwards.
 
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Thanks, Doc. The seller has other bigger tractors for sale with a lot of hours on them as well. I'm not sure of the year yet but the range of production was '87-'99 so if it were an '87 that would be approx 104 hrs/yr and if it is a '99(which I'm pretty sure it's not based on the pics) that would be approx 208 hrs/yr.

The problem is that OLD is my price range....
 
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True, Roy, true. I should be able to tell what type of person I'm dealing with by his response.

I would bring him but he's also the one with the trailer and truck that will haul it home and the tractor is an hour and a half away so it's a lot to ask to make the trip twice.

Then I suggest you be fair to the seller.
When you go and it turns out you like the machine and put a downpayment on it, do your best to return within a day or so. The seller may miss other potential buyers by holding it for you.
If I was the seller, I probably wouldn't take a deposit (which would leave me free to sell it).
Good luck to you on this tractor.
 
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Then I suggest you be fair to the seller.
When you go and it turns out you like the machine and put a downpayment on it, do your best to return within a day or so. The seller may miss other potential buyers by holding it for you.

Good points, maybe I'll have a look and go back with the trailer if it's still available within the next day or two without leaving a deposit. Thanks for all the help.

Nice hat by the way!
 
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As with others, I wouldn't worry about the hours, just have someone knowledgeable check it out, that's what I do.
 
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Hi, 2500 hours is nothing! Our ford has got 15,000 on it and only just done a rebuild, also keep in mind machine hours are not the same as human hours, diesels count there hours based on a set engine rpm, most are around the 1800rpm mark but the do differ. What this means is you can only take the hours as a ruff guide. The example being if the previous owner has done lots of work with it but only at low rpm ( most hobby users) then the engine is rarely under it's rated load, then this can lead to worn bearings and carbon buildup just to name a couple of options. This engine would show low hours but might have problems. On the other hand, an engine that is run flat strap all the time but not under load is going to gain hours quickly, so that kind of operation is going to have done damage aswell. My point with this is don't base your decision on hours as it's only a very small part of the story.

I would be more concerned about how the tractor looks, how easily does the engine start? When it first starts what comes out the exhaust? when it's running and you rev the engine does it respond quickly (good) or slowly(fuel timing problems) does it bellow Hugh amounts of smoke? Take it for a test drive, try it in all the ranges and gears, do all the gears feel the same, even across the ranges, some times driving a tractor in high range all the time can mask gear problems when you put it in low range and vise versa. How Does the clutch feel? Are the brakes good? With the tractor in a low gear and decent rev's stamp on the brakes, does the engine die or can it hold on, or do the brakes not do anything? This simulates the tractor under load. and will give you good insight into the engine's ability to pull. Feel the steering and watch the wheels is there any slop? If there is this could mean hydraulic problems ( presuming power steering) once the tractor has been running for a while check the temp gauge, it should read around 80 deg C, have a feel of the bottom of the radiator, carefully it will be hot, but should be around 50deg C have a good look at all the greasepoints do they look like fresh grease covering up old caked up grease? Or does it look well maintained? With loaders and back hoes, look for wear on pins and joints, with the implement off the ground move it side to side by hand ( machine off) and see how much movement you get? If bush's are good you should get almost none.
Check for oil leaks around the transmission, these can be costly to fix, and the old rule is if oil can get out, dirt can get in.

Follow these steps and you should have a really good idea of what your up for.
 
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Thanks for all the tips and your perpective Andrew! Nice to hear from a Ford user with a ton of hours on their machine. I'm going to at least have a look this afternoon armed with an inspection list.
 

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