Bleeding Hydraulics, 1966 Ford 5000, Loader

[Ervin Smith]

I burst a hydraulic hose that goes to my front loader on my 1966 Ford 5000, on the bucket, now neither the up and down controls nor the bucket will not work.

Physically replacing the hose seems as if it will be easy. I assume that once this is done the hydraulic system will need to be bled, no different from the brakes on my car.

My question is, how do you bleed the hydraulics on the tractor and how high do I fill the system, there is not a resovoir to put it in, and it is hocked up direct into the tractor hydraulics? I put two quarts back in, but maybe thats not enough. who know how much leaked out.
Will it harm it if I over fill it, the cap on the fill point seems to have a check valve on it wiggle around on top the plug. Mybe thats for looks or a different purpose, like to identifiy it, So it wouldn't make sense since because it should be under pressure.

 

[allis180]

I don't think you will have to bleed the lines. Just cycle the loader to full extension both ways a few times and it should work the air back out.

 

[J_J]

With all the cyl's full, there should be a fill level point somewhere. Just cycle all the cyl's several times and top off the reservoir.

Install a hyd gage at the input to the FEL valve to monitor and trouble shoot the hyd system.

 

[Ervin Smith]

i will get more tomorrow, I have to get them to fix the end on my hose they messed up on. Can't believe he put on the wrong size on one of the hoses. I guess everyone isn't as perfect as me.
Who wants to bet that they try to push off a adaptor for it, instead of fixing me a new one.

 

[RickB]

i will get more tomorrow, I have to get them to fix the end on my hose they messed up on. Can't believe he put on the wrong size on one of the hoses. I guess everyone isn't as perfect as me.
Who wants to bet that they try to push off a adaptor for it, instead of fixing me a new one.

The level plug is on the left rear of the rear axle center section. Fill with New Holland 134 hydraulic oil or its equivalent. Cycle the loader full up and down several times, dump and roll back the bucket a few times, and re-check your oil level.

 

[Ervin Smith]

Thanks for the tip RickB. I used what the dealer sold me, Ambra Multi G 134. The only plug area anywhere on the rear is right accross from the PTO shaft on the left side, sitting down. No plug there,
that plug location is wear the hydraulics are plugged into. I had to remove everything, then use new tape to put it all back. Took 2 gallen back out. I let it drain till it was dripping only, then put it all back together. So it was 3 gallen low. ****. it Wasn't clear anymore mixed with what was in there.
The loader still won't do anything. The 3 point hitch raises up and down, depending on if that black knob under the seat right side, is in or out. Tried the loader both ways in, and out several time. Nothing. Oh well.

And there is another knob, next to that black knob that pulls in and out, which turns, it says Slow and Fast, I think its for the 3way hitch and hydraulics.

 

[Soundguy]

i gave you this info multiple times already. on where to fill and check the hyds.

look for a pipe plug on the back of the center section.. it's there or has been broke off and ground down.

i'll see if i can find a pic of mine.

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

I posted pics of the tractor and its hoses locations. Ervin Smith should help find them in a search for photos they are in the photo gallery

 

[Ervin Smith]

I honestly do not think the tractor will be around much longer. The loan company was none to happy to hear what I had to say about their callatoral on the loan as summitted by Rudolph Bros Equip. Looks like they frauded not only me, but the loan company too. I will know more in a couple days.

 

[Soundguy]

i;ll still post the pic when i can get it..

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

Ok thanks sound guy, because I have no idea, whats going to happen in the next couple days. I still may wind up with this tractor. Just can't tell yet. So I definatley want it working as when it was delivered.
Please send and post that pic when you can, and look at the pics I posted to see it those are the locations your talking about.

 

[Ervin Smith]

this is what i did. After adding and draining the hyd fluid Monday, I tried again on tuesday to get it to pump up. Nothing. today, Wednesday, I added two gallens back into the system and it is now working. Go figure. It wasn't raiseing very fast, but it went all the way up and down several times. Can't check it at that point as I did before, or the two gallens I just put in will run out for sure. I don't know why its takeing more than the fill point, IF< thats IF, I am at the right fill point, but there is no other plug any place on the back of the tractor half way up or half way down. No where.

I put pictures of the Loader, tractor and where the hydrauolics are plugged into on the tractor. And where the only possible place I can find for a drain plug to fill it too. Like I said 2 Two more gallens today and its working. Raises and lowers and the bucket works too. But I do not have a clue if there is the porper level in the system.

I also pressure washed the rear axle area all sides, and found no other plug area. Its as clean as a whistle now. No possible other places exist ecept the actually drain plug underneath.

 

[Ervin Smith]

I am guessing there was not enough fluid in the rear end to pump the hydraulics and make them work. It has to reach the pick up spout to work.
Question is, have I added enough.

 

[Soundguy]

where are the pics located?

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

On the top of the main page, it says Main Index, Todays Post, Photo Gallery.
Clikc on Photo Gallery, go tot he bottom of the page, It in in those pictures, Ford blue tractore, witha a yellow front end loader. Each photo has my name on it, Ervin Smith and the picture number.

 

[Ervin Smith]

My New shop manual, talks about Dual Power, non0syncromenst tramissions and syncromest. I do not know what this one is. I think it is dual power since it has a lever that changes gears making your transmission have extra gears. Since it will grind putting it in gear I assume its not sycronized . Like a car or truck can be. Some models the Transmission and hydrolics share fluid. I don't know if this one does or not, But it need changing, the trany has water in it, cause it has some white substnace in it. I doubt if this affects the throw bearing since the cluth is a dry clutch.
Depending on the situation, you add more fluid in some cases.

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. that's the check plug.

and yes.. it could have dual power.. but I thought only the later ones had it.

or are you merly talking about the twin stick 8spd. ie 2 sticks onthe shifter cover. one is a high low range selector.. the other is a 4 speed stick.

clarify.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

if it's simply a twin stick 8spd, then yes.. it needs the clutch to shift.

trans on a 66 should be a seperate sump than diffy and hyds.

late 75 models had a common sump. and I believe DP models had a common sump..

rickB will know more about this than me. I'mmore of a 39-64 ford guy.. still getting my feet wet on these 65+ models.



soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

I am referring to the HI lo shift. Thats not dual power. I will have to read more about it. I think that refers to the hyd and tranny shareing fluids. I do not think mine shares fluids, the tranny has water in it, the rear hyd don't. So I am going to drain and refill the tranny. Also change the oil. when I find out, I am not getting any swap or that they are not taking it back.
The bank guy has not called, after 3 days, so I assume nothing is going to be done. They must be satisfied with the colrterial as is.

 

[Ervin Smith]

I just have to figure out all this stuff, thats all. The shop manuel I got, is so comprehinsive about all models and all types that is difficult to read and figure out what is about the tractor I got, and the other tractors they made druing the same time period.