grease question

[aking]

Non-detergent oil is still available. At our local farm stores they still have SAE 30 and 10 in some places. Try mystik.com they still make it.

 

[ultrarunner]

My reference guides don't go back that far. I will contact my resources on Monday and see what they tell me.

The Model A Ford Club is holding an event Saturday... I can print out any cross-reference info to give the the members...

At one time, there were additive packages for older motors with conventional valve trains... can't seem to find it on the shelves anymore... might have had zinc or something that was not good for catalytic converters.

 

[tawilson]

Non-detergent oil is still available. At our local farm stores they still have SAE 30 and 10 in some places. Try mystik.com they still make it.

I've got a couple of pressure washers that need non detergent oil. I think I bought mine a Autozone.

 

[John Morgan]

Ultrarunner-

Talked to our chemist today. He says the detergency and friction modifier packages will not harm antique cars. There is no reason why you would not be able to run todays multi-viscosity oils. The friction mod packages will cause no harm to the Babbit bearings nor will the detergrncy package harm seals.

The Schaeffer Supreme 7000 in 5w30 or 10w30 will work.

If you have specific concerns about a multi-grade oil in these cars, please feel free to contact me.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ultrarunner-

Talked to our chemist today. He says the detergency and friction modifier packages will not harm antique cars. There is no reason why you would not be able to run todays multi-viscosity oils. The friction mod packages will cause no harm to the Babbit bearings nor will the detergrncy package harm seals.

The Schaeffer Supreme 7000 in 5w30 or 10w30 will work.

If you have specific concerns about a multi-grade oil in these cars, please feel free to contact me.

Thanks John for the info...

Just to verify... the chemist knows these older vehicles and tractors do not have oil filters... detergent oil came about about the same time engines started having oil filters.

Also, do you know the ppm of zinc dithiophosphate?

The use of catalytic converters has prompted the reduction and/or phase out of this important additive because it can greatly shorten the life of the convertor and modern engines are built to compensate for this.

Oils of pre-cat engines typically had around 1500 ppm of zinc dithiophosphate as do racing oils (no cats on off-road race engines)

For anyone interested in a long answer from Pennzoil on the subject here is a link
http://xs650temp.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=EngineStock&action=print&thread=14648

Any luck on the 600W gear oil and water pump lube?

 

[John Morgan]

Schaeffer won't give out the exact number. The range is 800-1200ppm zddp in the basic oils. The number is a lot higher in our racing oils. Working in conjunction with Micron Moly and Penetro. Liquified molybdenum disulfied is the strongest friction modifier known and Penetro is unique to Schaeffer. Studies by the Society for Tribologist and Lubrication Engineers shows a reduction in the coefficient of friction as high as 75%. That article is available on the web through the STLE.

 

[JasG]

One thing a equipment dealer told me, don't know if it is true or not, maybe someone here can answer. We have a 4020 that we ran Deere 30wt oil in and still do. His newer Deere needs 15-40 engine oil. When asked if we could run both tractors on the 15-40 they did not think it was a good idea. The reason being the 30 wieght was non-detergent oil and that there was probably sludge in the engine in areas. The 15-40 they thought would wash this sludge out and take a chance on plugging oil passages in the engine. They recommened waiting till we rebuild the engine then go with 15-40.

Does this sound right or were they incorrect?

 

[ultrarunner]

One thing a equipment dealer told me, don't know if it is true or not, maybe someone here can answer. We have a 4020 that we ran Deere 30wt oil in and still do. His newer Deere needs 15-40 engine oil. When asked if we could run both tractors on the 15-40 they did not think it was a good idea. The reason being the 30 wieght was non-detergent oil and that there was probably sludge in the engine in areas. The 15-40 they thought would wash this sludge out and take a chance on plugging oil passages in the engine. They recommened waiting till we rebuild the engine then go with 15-40.

Does this sound right or were they incorrect?

Same thing as the 3 re-builders I know...

They stress not to change to Detergent from non-detergent on an old motor without a filter.

 

[Soundguy]

lots of equipment that does not use an oil filter also does not use detergent oils.

look at lawnmower engines and air compressor oil sumps.

remember detergents suspend stuff for filtering..

soundguy

 

[ultrarunner]

lots of equipment that does not use an oil filter also does not use detergent oils.

look at lawnmower engines and air compressor oil sumps.

remember detergents suspend stuff for filtering..

soundguy

Also the oil change intervals are much shorter... my Model A Ford is 500 miles between changes and my lawn mower is 25 hours...

The Vacuum Pumps I maintain have 500 hour intervals when using BUSCH oil... some of my pumps have 30,000+ hours on the clock with zero failures... they also have filters.